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Had an argument with my co-teacher.
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rookieglobetrotter



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris.Quigley wrote:
In the same way that I would never pick a fight with an NFL linebacker, taking on Korean Culture head on is commendable, but foolhardy. But, stabbing a NFL linebacker in the back when he isn't looking....(Okay thats Machiavelli speaking)


Lol that reminds me of the OSU linebacker that got sucker punched when a drunk local was trying to hit on his sister. It's not a very noble thing to do, and dangerous since the linebacker almost died (but fully recovered from his injuries).

The advice I try to follow is from the warrior philosopher Bruce Lee. When the opponent expands, I contract, When he contracts, I expand, And when there is an opportunity, I do not hit--it hits all by itself.

Well maybe not the last part, but in essence be like flexible/adaptable like water. And like the previous poster said learn to pick the fights only when necessary and at the right time. Being a non caucasian I am no stranger to racism, but I just chuckle about it since I know most of the time they don't know any better and their views will hurt them in the long run Very Happy
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS, look at the TV programming they offer here

Walk around the department store and count how many posters have Asians, how many have Whites and how many have Blacks. Bet the last group you will count with fewer than 3 fingers.

Koreans don't even love themselves. They are taught that its okay to look at people with dark skin and think they are 'less'. I've met so many bigoted Gyopos in NY it made me sick. Then they turn it around and say they've been 'oppressed'. They don't know the meaning of the word.
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randall020105



Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: what can i possibly add..? Reply with quote

you cannot change the direction of the Nile river with a spoon... Shocked
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mimi belle



Joined: 11 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, don't let your co-teacher put words into the kids mouths. Not saying that he's wrong, but he's put things in a way that may be stronger than how the kids felt.

I agree with the advice so far. You can make more of an impact through positive example and subtle influence than through direct confrontation. Being a positive role model of someone who accepts people from different backgrounds will make a stronger impression than anything else. It's like in chess, you don't need to attack the queen from the front to win.

With your kids, you have a lot of influence. With your co-teacher, you may or may not.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you could subtly change the kids' minds. Find photos of black doctors, police officers, etc, for your powerpoints.
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal wrote:
Perhaps you could subtly change the kids' minds. Find photos of black doctors, police officers, etc, for your powerpoints.


Well, EVERYONE could do that but I don't see a reason why. Most of our students are not going to travel internationally and even fewer will be put in the position of having a relationship with a person of color. It's sad but it's kind of like convincing a kid in India that beef tastes good. You can do it and you may even to get them to try it but in the end they're still in India and they're still surrounded by the culture that doesn't eat beef.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NYC_Gal wrote:
Perhaps you could subtly change the kids' minds. Find photos of black doctors, police officers, etc, for your powerpoints.


Yes

I'd one-up that with positive black Actors that they know of:

Will Smith from I, Robot, I am Legend
Denzel Washington (not in Training Day, American Gangster)
Wesley Snipes Blade
Samuel L Jackson Star Wars, Incredibles

I've seen too many negative characters portrayed by black actors in Korea, but if you search it out, you can find them...
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't a black guy head of state/government of some OECD country, somewhere?

I think I heard that somewhere....
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thegadfly wrote:
OP,

You can be right, or you can be happy. If you choose right, good on you -- fight the good fight. Unfortunately for you, the good fight will probably make your year uncomfortable. Is standing up to the racism inherent in Korean society at the moment worth sacrificing your tranquility and goodwill at work? If so, again, good on you -- the world needs folks with that kind of fortitude...however, I doubt that the kind of confrontation you have described will do anything to change Korean culture -- as soon as you mentioned "Korean culture" and "stupid" in the same sentence, you most likely lost any chance of convincing your audience of the "correctness" of your views. In fact, you pretty much devolved to the same level of judgment and prejudice, but hey, tempers run hot.

I agree with your sentiment, and empathize with your feelings, but I think you took things to a bad place with the Korea-bashing to your co-worker. NO ONE likes to be called names, or be disparaged, and two wrongs don't make a right. If you want to lead your co-worker to wisdom, tolerance, understanding, and acceptance of those different from yourself, you may want to try to do so by example, rather than invective....


+1 Well said gad.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tanklor1 wrote:
NYC_Gal wrote:
Perhaps you could subtly change the kids' minds. Find photos of black doctors, police officers, etc, for your powerpoints.


Well, EVERYONE could do that but I don't see a reason why. Most of our students are not going to travel internationally and even fewer will be put in the position of having a relationship with a person of color. It's sad but it's kind of like convincing a kid in India that beef tastes good. You can do it and you may even to get them to try it but in the end they're still in India and they're still surrounded by the culture that doesn't eat beef.


Not eating beef isn't going to hurt anyone. Racism often does.

It can't hurt to spice up those powerpoints with positive images of black people. I do it all the time.

I said in another thread that my friend's school was getting a new NET from South Africa, and they were excited to have a black teacher. When the teacher showed up and was white, the students and teachers were really disappointed, though they ended up liking the new teacher anyway. It was really funny, but also progress.
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ippy



Joined: 25 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ill be honest. I laughed too when he came on the screen. Maybe your kids are smart and laughed for the same two reasons:

1. What the hell is an old dude hanging ouyt with a ten year old and pretending they are best mates?

2. What depths will that dude go to get paid?
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Isehtis



Joined: 07 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama as a black role model?


I don't see a huge amount of racism in the West, but what I do see is based on hate.

Lots of racism in Korea, but most of it seems more like its based on ignorance... A K-girl casually asked me the other day if I'd ever raped anyone "because thats what English teachers do..."
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lovebug



Joined: 29 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree with all the posters who talk value the idea of being a positive example over trying to preach.
i've been teaching elementary for 2 years and i am super sneaky about tackling racial and gender social justice issues in the classroom. as other people suggested, i try to use as many positive examples/clipart of people in ppts and videos.

there are a bunch of videos on education sites/youtube with people introducing themselves from different countries. i pause the video after they say hello and have the students guess where they are from. korean students will always guess a country based on how they look. showing them these videos (or you could just show pictures of people) challenges this belief that nationality is equal to ethnicity (it's a baby step).

the most common thing that happens in my class is that a random black guy will show up on the screen and they'll say OBAMA, OBAMA! i will always stop the class and address those student(s). i will ask them if they are lee myun bak or kim jeong il. when they say, 'no, no!' i will say, but - you are korean and lee myun bak is korean --same same? it's always been really effective. if you take a strong stance about it with your students, your coteachers will see how important it is to you.

i'm a person of color who's dealt with crap her whole life, so i understand why you want to just speak your mind and vent your frustrations with your coteacher. i wish i could do that all the time with mine. if the topic were to come up again, you could say that you have close friend who's black (or whatever) and that it's really hurtful personally when students make fun of black people or when your coteacher seems ambivalent. when you make it about how hurt you are and not about how wrong he is, he has the opportunity to see how his beliefs/apathy negatively affect other people.
i'm really close to my CTs at this point and will send them articles, both korean and international, that discuss social justice issues. education and information can go very far. they seem to be much more receptive to this than me criticizing them.

good luck! it's tough, but many of us are making positive impressions here every day.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i was in jejudo i got asked by the motel owner if i wanted an Obama coffee or a Bush coffee.

Took me a few seconds to click.
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brickabrack



Joined: 17 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ippy wrote:
Ill be honest. I laughed too when he came on the screen. Maybe your kids are smart and laughed for the same two reasons:

1. What the hell is an old dude hanging ouyt with a ten year old and pretending they are best mates?

2. What depths will that dude go to get paid?


I think there is some pretty good input/advice, but this is ^^^^^^^^ also
what I was thinking. Really, Luda? You n Beebs?
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