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Sector7G
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| If WSI does have a no dating policy it seems a bit hypocritical to show suggestive adverts like that one to get people through the door. |
The no dating policy is between teachers and students - the video only showed young Koreans.
Pub nights are not obligatory but encouraged, not much arm twisting is needed anyway. |
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Ukon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ed, maybe you are getting the wrong idea about these "pub nights". They were not held at discos like in the video, but in pubs where everyone sat at tables. They were company sponsored events and there was always a supervisor there. Wall Street has a strict policy about dating. Everyone was on their best behavior. They usually lasted only a couple hours, but they were pretty enjoyable anyway.
Now, after the "official' pub night broke up, and everyone went on their way, it's possible that there may have been some people meeting up and getting together at other places, as young people often do.(Not me, I'm older and had to work early) However, I still would not characterize it as "cracking" or "copping off" on vulnerable students. If they did, I never heard about it. |
My original point was that the youtube advert did look like a night club and I doubted whether many potential students would be attracted to a TEFL institute for that reason. If WSI does have a no dating policy it seems a bit hypocritical to show suggestive adverts like that one to get people through the door. It reminds me of a school I knew about in Turkey that only employed young women to get all the men through the door then had to fire them all later when the women started inviting students round for wild parties at their flats. Fair enough a couple of drinks in a pub atmosphere is a different kettle of fish, and probably a good idea, though it should in no way be obligatory. |
From what I heard, some male students go to academies to meet good girls..... |
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T-dot
Joined: 16 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Ukon wrote: |
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Ed, maybe you are getting the wrong idea about these "pub nights". They were not held at discos like in the video, but in pubs where everyone sat at tables. They were company sponsored events and there was always a supervisor there. Wall Street has a strict policy about dating. Everyone was on their best behavior. They usually lasted only a couple hours, but they were pretty enjoyable anyway.
Now, after the "official' pub night broke up, and everyone went on their way, it's possible that there may have been some people meeting up and getting together at other places, as young people often do.(Not me, I'm older and had to work early) However, I still would not characterize it as "cracking" or "copping off" on vulnerable students. If they did, I never heard about it. |
My original point was that the youtube advert did look like a night club and I doubted whether many potential students would be attracted to a TEFL institute for that reason. If WSI does have a no dating policy it seems a bit hypocritical to show suggestive adverts like that one to get people through the door. It reminds me of a school I knew about in Turkey that only employed young women to get all the men through the door then had to fire them all later when the women started inviting students round for wild parties at their flats. Fair enough a couple of drinks in a pub atmosphere is a different kettle of fish, and probably a good idea, though it should in no way be obligatory. |
From what I heard, some male students go to academies to meet good girls..... |
I hear the same about teachers. |
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rowdie3
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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I work at Wall Street now - great place to work as far as I'm concerned. Have been working there for three years.
If we don't pass a student in a class, they rarely dispute it and if they do are told that that's that, so that's the response to the person who said students always get their way.
As for pub night, it's lots of fun. Once a month we go to a local pub with the students. Teachers are paid for the first hour and are free to stay or go after that.
Nothing too crazy. A few pints and English conversation. All of our staff are well behaved and treat the students with respect. I've never heard of a pub night related complaint.
Cool advertisement but not the most accurate portrayal. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| So what is that ad saying? |
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Wingnut
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: Meaning |
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| So what is that ad saying? |
I think they were going for "Learning English is fun at WSI." |
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Smee
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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WSI's ads and sponsorships are puzzling considering the stigma attached to interracial relationships, and the efforts of some groups (Anti-English Spectrum) to put an end to foreign English teachers mingling with Korean women. Maybe that's why, in an ad for an English-language hagwon, they didn't use any native speaker English teachers in the "club."
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/02/wsi-is-blunt.html
Another WSI ad aimed at Korean guys took the angle that if you learn English not only will you be more successful in English-language meetings (apparently abundant in South Korea *cough*) but you won't embarrass yourself in front of hot white women (with poor English themselves):
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-think-about-it-while-sitting-at.html |
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Ukon
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| Anybody know what the hiring standards are? I heard you need at least 2 years experience....one guy told me you need a Celta and 4 years experience! |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| 2 years ago I was hired with only one year of experience and no certification. However, times have changed as you know so they can probably pick and choose a little more. |
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Satchel Paige
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| 2 years ago I was hired with only one year of experience and no certification. However, times have changed as you know so they can probably pick and choose a little more. |
Full-time or part-time? And is the part-time contract still considered a better deal even though you have pay your own housing? |
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Sector7G
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Sector7G wrote: |
| 2 years ago I was hired with only one year of experience and no certification. However, times have changed as you know so they can probably pick and choose a little more. |
Full-time or part-time? And is the part-time contract still considered a better deal even though you have pay your own housing? |
I was hired part time, but that had nothing to do with qualifications. In fact they offered me full time, but I thought I could make more money by adding a legal second job in the afternoon, which I did. However, in my case it did not pan out like I expected. Others I knew had great success doing it that way. Mileage may vary type of thing. Wall Street kept up their side of the bargain though. I had no problem with them. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:09 am Post subject: Re: Does Wall Street Institute have the best marketing team? |
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When you've been around the block for a while you might someday get the "Christian" thing. |
What makes you think I have not been around the block?
I still don't get it! Christians can drink with the best of them. |
That depends on who you classify as such, Korean Christians have been known to not count Catholics as such -- go figure. Korean Christians do not/are adamantly opposed to drinking alchohol, you should know this since you've been around. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| rowdie3 wrote: |
I work at Wall Street now - great place to work as far as I'm concerned. Have been working there for three years.
If we don't pass a student in a class, they rarely dispute it and if they do are told that that's that, so that's the response to the person who said students always get their way.
As for pub night, it's lots of fun. Once a month we go to a local pub with the students. Teachers are paid for the first hour and are free to stay or go after that.
Nothing too crazy. A few pints and English conversation. All of our staff are well behaved and treat the students with respect. I've never heard of a pub night related complaint.
Cool advertisement but not the most accurate portrayal. |
"Teachers are paid," I think not. All teachers aren't, only one teacher gets credit for one class. His/her fellow teachers don't get credit but are encouraged to attend. When only one teacher attends "pub night" students aren't satisfied, imagine being one student of 10 - 20 and only 1 teacher. How many students can a teacher talk to in a loud bar and 3-4 students always surrounding the teacher while others look on(stare) eager to talk to the teacher but aren't able to unless they yell across or down the make-shift table. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Satchel Paige wrote: |
| Sector7G wrote: |
| 2 years ago I was hired with only one year of experience and no certification. However, times have changed as you know so they can probably pick and choose a little more. |
Full-time or part-time? And is the part-time contract still considered a better deal even though you have pay your own housing? |
I was hired part time, but that had nothing to do with qualifications. In fact they offered me full time, but I thought I could make more money by adding a legal second job in the afternoon, which I did. However, in my case it did not pan out like I expected. Others I knew had great success doing it that way. Mileage may vary type of thing. Wall Street kept up their side of the bargain though. I had no problem with them. |
Have you paid your "free lancer" or "independent contractor" high taxes on that second job/money earned yet? |
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rowdie3
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| rowdie3 wrote: |
| "Teachers are paid," I think not. All teachers aren't, only one teacher gets credit for one class. His/her fellow teachers don't get credit but are encouraged to attend. When only one teacher attends "pub night" students aren't satisfied, imagine being one student of 10 - 20 and only 1 teacher. How many students can a teacher talk to in a loud bar and 3-4 students always surrounding the teacher while others look on(stare) eager to talk to the teacher but aren't able to unless they yell across or down the make-shift table. |
As I said, I work there now, so just telling it like it is. In the first hour of pub night, from 9pm-10pm the teacher or teachers who go with the students are paid their regulary hourly rate. Those who come after do so on their own time.
Our students are independent adults who can talk to each other and do so whether or not a teacher is there with them.
Pub night is fun. It is tomorrow night actually. Looking forward to it. |
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