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bithy75

Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| This sounds familiar to me. When I taught in a university English program in the States (before coming to Korea), I had a Korean student (a wrestler) who didn't even know the alphabet. It was soooooo hard for him to catch up because the other students were so far ahead. We eventually had to arrange some private sessions for him, but he didn't seem to have a clue about study skills. After reading the original post in this thread, it all makes sense. |
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Zed

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Shakedown Street
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:55 am Post subject: |
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What do the parents of these kids think of this situation or are they entirely unaware that their children are learning nothing until they have to pay for extra tutoring sessions like in the case of this wrestler?
Who considers them employable afterwards? Surely they must collapse in the face of their ignorance on their first and subsequent jobs? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:51 am Post subject: |
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It would be interesting if the students here stopped wearing uniforms and were able to do what they wanted with regards to hair, earrings and the like. I used to get special treatment by growing my hair long and pretending to be...evil. I would tell people that I spent the weekend up in the foothils nearby reading Allistair Crowley and so on. Come to think of it I've only seen one really morbid kid here, and that was a grade 3 girl. I would say "What did you do on the weekend?" and she would talk about the nightmares she had and scare the other kids. |
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SarcasmKills

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:03 am Post subject: |
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I was told to "help along" two football players who I had in one of my classes when I was a G.A in the states.....
These guys (disregarding their heavily ebonicfied vocabulary) could barely string a sentence together.. yet alone write an essay (which is difficult when you're trying to teach a communication writing class)..
I approached my director about the situation, and although he was ashamed of it, he told me to help them along because they are important to the schools reputation... These guys knew the score and, when they would actually show up in class, would act like class clowns and see who could throw out the wittiest comment... it got old really quick..
One guy went on to sign as a free-agent with the Lions.. but I have no idea where he is now... let's just say he wasn't the brightest light, although if you read the school-funded promotions on him, you'd think he was an ideal student-athlete... |
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PEIGUY

Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Location: Omokgyo
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| One main difference is that Canadian Universities do not offer sports scholarships. |
actually they do know.. they repealed that law couple years back but the scholarships are only limited i think, i can't rem exactly, a lot of univ lure them in with these promised bonuses than hwen they get there don't give them didly squat and the players don't leave because they forfeit a year of elgibility if they do... i know that ha shappened at my univ quite a few times. |
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Falstaff
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Location: Ansan
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Having worked with athletic departments at several high schools and one university, the one story that takes the cake is this.
I was working food service at an athletic dorm. When we put the hot entrees into the serving wells, the steam would cause the sneeze guard to fog up so that you couldn't see what was being served. Part of my job was to write on the sneeze guard what the dishes were. So I would write in large, all capital, block letters words like "PIZZA" or "POT ROAST".
The day that my faith in humanity was shattered was when one star football player, a man about 6 feet 5 inches tall, about 280 pounds of pure muscle came to the line, looked directly at what I had written and then asked what was being served. A little investigation, and it turns out he was illiterate. It was claimed he had a "learning disability", but I would think that someone his size would have learned to identify the word "STEAK". The real kick in the teeth is this. . .
He graduated. From college. One consistently rated in the top 50 public Unis in America. And he was illiterate.
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Falstaff wrote: |
Having worked with athletic departments at several high schools and one university, the one story that takes the cake is this.
I was working food service at an athletic dorm. When we put the hot entrees into the serving wells, the steam would cause the sneeze guard to fog up so that you couldn't see what was being served. Part of my job was to write on the sneeze guard what the dishes were. So I would write in large, all capital, block letters words like "PIZZA" or "POT ROAST".
The day that my faith in humanity was shattered was when one star football player, a man about 6 feet 5 inches tall, about 280 pounds of pure muscle came to the line, looked directly at what I had written and then asked what was being served. A little investigation, and it turns out he was illiterate. It was claimed he had a "learning disability", but I would think that someone his size would have learned to identify the word "STEAK". The real kick in the teeth is this. . .
He graduated. From college. One consistently rated in the top 50 public Unis in America. And he was illiterate.
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HOLY CRAP!
What I think really stinks about student athletics in the US is the NCAA. There are 3 levels: I, II, and III. Basically...if you are a division I athlete you are great and II and III are of decreasing skill. What I never understood about this system is that why cater to any of these students when less than 2% enter the NBA for example. I don't know the states for the other sports, but it must be around the same. But I am betting most student-athletes who become pros are from D I schools. So what happens to all the illiterate Divison II and III students? I honestly don't want to know....
In any case, the NCAA is a disgrace. They give kids scholarships for up to full-tuition but make MILLIONS off of merchandising, televising games, etc. But most students get educations that were paid for but are rarely effective such as the story above. |
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ladyandthetramp

Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Some of you seem to have just given in to the whole system of passing the jocks, regardless of how well they perform in school...
WHY?
Aren't you educators? Isn't your job to educate, not just pass students? Aren't you ashamed?
Granted, if you're teaching in Korea I understand a bit...since job security seems quite low, but in America and Canada? |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| ladyandthetramp: You're right! We ARE educators! Even though my uni "encourages" us to just pass the jocks, I make sure that they have to do SOMETHING. Even if it's doing a 1 on 1 on a weekend (and yes, most of them do speak/understand a LITTLE English!), or having them write SOMETHING for me, I expect SOME work out of them! There is no free ride! |
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CanadaCommando

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Location: People's Republic of C.C.
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
Aren't you educators? Isn't your job to educate, not just pass students? Aren't you ashamed?
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You are right. I should go in, and single-handedly change the Korean system. After all, I (being a Western educated teacher) know far more than my Korean counterparts; and most importantly, know better.
Shame has nothing to do with this. I am an educator, but I have been told the rules of the system I belong to, and it is up to me to follow those rules. I OBVIOUSLY am unhappy with it, or I would not have started this post, but who am I to change the system? I think this is a true problem, but one that has to be solved systematically. I obviously would rather help these students build a decent level of English, but if you read the original posting, you would see that I was reprimanded for these actions.
When in Rome, do as the Romans... |
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Duder
Joined: 23 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hello, just wanted to know if anyone here has played university sport in Canada. THere seems to be alot of rumours turned into fact to make it sound like jocks get all these things.
they repealed that law couple years back but the scholarships are only limited i think
very true, the scholarship is limited to academic performance. It is offered to those that play a specific sport but they must achieve a certain academic level. Check the levels at various schools to see what it is. At my uni it was the same as those scholarships offered to non-athletes.
Back home, jocks get days off, and special trips.
What special trips? Where do they go? The trips taken by student athletes in Canada are, they travel to play in florida for a week and get one day with their family for christmas and might miss classes. Any student can go on a trip to any where and miss classes, example to florida for spring break. What are the days off? THeses are the same for regular students as for student athletes. Anyone can take a day off.
Student athletes in Canada have a tough go of it. There are some perks but hey are not what you think. At my uni we had a laundry service that we could sometimes sneak into to use. Also we had a private study hall in the athletic department that was for 'us' only, but most people opted for the library. We did get some jobs out of it. We organized a camp for students in the summer and had to organize it all ourselves and we had to work it for he two weeks, this is the same as any other job for a regular student. Get a gym, put up some flyers at local schools, make a schedule, teach the campers, give them a t-shirt, and finish.
Word, hope that all makes sense. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: The Y.C.
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Spoiled freakin jocks.... |
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K, I gotta ask...
What's the deal with the special treatment of sports players in the public system?! In my school, soccer and basketball players get treated like royalty. They skip morning classes, they sleep through the afternoon ones, and they don't even have to write the midterms. My first week, I refused to let the jocks sleep, and asked them some simple English questions. To my surprise, the other students stood up for them and said. "oh no teacher! They don't speak English. They are sport players!" One of the members from my department got a talking to by the Coach, who in turn had to tell me "how things are here".
I understand that it's all about the honor that a winning sports team brings to a school, but it still seems a bit ridiculous. What parent would want their sons to be jocks, when it means they haven't a chance at University unless they make the sports team. And even if they do, just imagine how useful they are after college.
This isn't really a problem for me. Different culture, different rules. I adapted, and now the players are free to sleep to their hearts content at the back of my classroom. It seems wrong, but its not my place to say. I am just curious if any other schools have this attitude towards sports players... |
It's the same at my school. However, most of the girls are on sports teams, because they aren't that good at school. It is a compromise instead of telling them that they are too dumb to attend school.
I pretty much leave those girls alone, unless they are disrupting class. It has happened only once so far. |
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