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The McDonalds� Analogy
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, I love the OP's link. Hilarious.

It's a very compelling view of men, all we want is sex. Its almost true. But we also want trust, respect, affirmation, all the same stuff women want. Its just that the urge for sex sometimes overwhelms us more easily than it does for many women.

Underwaterbob wrote:
I'm friends with my exes that I had open, honest discussions with when our breakups occurred.


Bingo. I am friends with some of my exes, and some not.

Its really tempting to give examples, REALLY TEMPTING, but I'm going to resist.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think saying "lets just be friends" is flaky and fickle. Who would want to continue a relationship with someone like that? However being able to turn the situation around and then continuing to have some nice sex with the flake and then finding someone else later, now that's nice.
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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
Personally I think saying "lets just be friends" is flaky and fickle. Who would want to continue a relationship with someone like that? However being able to turn the situation around and then continuing to have some nice sex with the flake and then finding someone else later, now that's nice.


it's generally the new cool trendy thing to say. Young girls watch TV or hear the catch phrase from friends and thinks it's empowering.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:

Underwaterbob wrote:
I'm friends with my exes that I had open, honest discussions with when our breakups occurred.


Bingo. I am friends with some of my exes, and some not.

Its really tempting to give examples, REALLY TEMPTING, but I'm going to resist.


I'm friends with most of mine, but I was the one to end the relationship and/or it was mutual (one or both of us moved away). I was dumped for the first time in my life last month. Remains to be seen if we'll be friends. Haven't talked to her since the break-up and not sure if I will in the future. There's a chance it will be a "Happy b-day/Merry Christmas/etc" type of friendship.
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Panda



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shared this article because I thought it funny.

IMO, the fries here doesn't have to be the analogy for sex...it could simply be the romantic feeling, the "I am in love" "she/he is mine" mindset.

When we end a physical relationship with someone, it takes longer time (sometimes forever) to end the love in your mind...

There could be an illusion that you believe the other person is still in love with you, until you see with your own eyes the cruel reality that they are with someone else or they act totally different from when you are together, which are usually the endpoint of the story.

I dont want to meet my ex because I want things end at the point there are still lots of good things there ...I would hope they think the same way as well.
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Panda



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
I was dumped for the first time in my life last month. Remains to be seen if we'll be friends. Haven't talked to her since the break-up and not sure if I will in the future. There's a chance it will be a "Happy b-day/Merry Christmas/etc" type of friendship.


Sorry to hear that, it's fair to get dumped at least once in one's life, it cant always be you who dumps others. ( this must be the worst comfort words you've ever got, but it's true) .
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Panda wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
I was dumped for the first time in my life last month. Remains to be seen if we'll be friends. Haven't talked to her since the break-up and not sure if I will in the future. There's a chance it will be a "Happy b-day/Merry Christmas/etc" type of friendship.


Sorry to hear that, it's fair to get dumped at least once in one's life, it cant always be you who dumps others. ( this must be the worst comfort words you've ever got, but it's true) .


No, I agree. Perhaps I'm in denial or something like that, but it was one of the better experiences to have happened to me in recent years. It has been a good motivator for me.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking a little more about this analogy today. Basically, its self-serving.

In some instances, it may ring true: maybe the guy *really* likes the girl and can't bear to see other guys be with that girl. "Oh, he doesn't want to be friends with me because I'm so awesome and he can't bear to see me share my awesome with other guys." Sure, that could be part of it.

But there may be other reasons the guy wants to avoid the girl. I mean, really. Has no guy here been humiliated by a girl, but dumped before he could realize he should get out of it? Or been dumped by a girl they couldn't trust? Or the girl had a straight-up obnoxious personality (negative, possibly narcissistic, baseless accusations of infidelity, etc), but he was trying to overlook it and get deeper, but when she dumped him it occurred to him the cost-benefit ratio of doing this understanding suddenly died along with the relationship.

These are not merely rhetorical questions. I'm curious. Have you guys experienced this?

But I do think this McDonalds explanation appeals to a certain kind of mentality, those that look at sexual experiences as essentially unconsequential occasions of pleasure and joy. And no judgment. Hey, I've been there myself. And there's truth to it, or it wouldn't be hilarious. But its seductive largely because it tells the woman, "He doesn't want to be your friend because you are so sexually/romantically irresistible."

I know a guy whose wife cheated on him, after they had a child. Its incredibly ridiculous to me to suggest that he wants her out of his life primarily because someone else is getting "fries with that," although surely that's part of it. The real reason is, he probably feels (as do all his friends) that she's an insensitive human being with no proper regard for what's most important.

No, the guy is dissatisfied his experience at McDonalds, and says, "You know what, I'm going to open my *own* restaurant, serve everyone what they want. And btw, to hell with fast food!"

Oops, I just went and took this all too seriously. Oh, well.
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erasmus



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm constantly refused service at McDonald's. I'm under the height limit at the counter and they don't like my car at the drive-thru. I've tried everything, even ordering online. Nothing. I guess I'll keep eating alone at home.
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not friends with any of my exes. Look, if I want a beer and a chat, I've got my male friends for that. When I'm in a romantic relationship, I think I tend to convince myself that she is more interesting/fun to talk to/fun to be with than she really is. Once it's over, I don't put on that illusion anymore.

the few ones who did have really cool personalities tended to be the cheating types, and in that case I'd agree with kurtz - liked the girl but it's humiliating and I wouldnt want to be around her.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exe's typically don't make good friends, its hard to back step in a relationship. I'm only friends with one of them, but I dated her for a year and a half and the only reason we split up was because she moved ten hours away and after a month of long distance relationship we decided it really was best to just be friends.
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Catfisher



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once it's finished, it's finished. What kind of relationship would I want to have with someone with whom I have been intimate?
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catfisher wrote:
Once it's finished, it's finished. What kind of relationship would I want to have with someone with whom I have been intimate?


So once a relationship becomes intimate, it always has to remain that way? That doesn't make much sense.
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