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[orosee]

Just on TV News:

And now here's Ollie Williams with a commentary on the NK/SK situation. Ollie?

"We'reallgo'ndie!"

Thank you Olli. Now Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa from the frontlines...

[thomas pars]

if there was any sort of emergency and it involved you dealing with the embassy, they would do what they normally do when you have to rely on the embassy, that is nothing.

They would deal with their people first. and the rest would be bone meal.

So if NK attacks, highly unlikey really, you would have not a chance. Seoul is within MORTAR range folks. Not misels, not rockets, but mortar range.

The streets would be jammed beyond belief. The best thing to do would probably head the basement and wait it out.

[Mikejelai]

what mortar will lob a round 45 miles???? don't you mean artillery/howitzer?

[orosee]

Anyway, nobody wants a war. North Korea is only acting as a messenger, same as South Korea is only a messenger.

It is fairly obvious if you look at what's WEST of the joint naval excercises. What's N/NE is irrelevant.

Message from the USA via South Korea (by means of naval excercises): "CHINA, we're right here in your front yard!"

Message from China via North Korea (by means of artillery strike): "USA, we don't want you in our front yard!".

Seriously, who'd want joint Cuban/Chinese/Russian naval and aerial manoeuvres in the Caribbean?

That's why nobody wants a war, and nobody wants to kill the messengers

[Steelrails]

[jacksthirty]

Now I don't have any links, but I seem to remember reading that the Pentagon has a plan which involves a pre-emptive strike on said artillary. Something about using all their long range bombers and Stealth bombers?!?!

[brento1138]

Good news for people who live in Seoul:

1) The North cannot launch a nuke at it. Doesn't have the technology. Most people don't understand why, but look into it a bit, and you'll understand how hard it is to miniaturize these weapons. Besides, it would be stupid, as the North Koreans themselves would be very negatively affected by the radiation!

2) I tutored a military strategist for the Korean army. He told me that everyone in the SK military thinks that North Korean artillery is mainly pointed at strategic points of interest, not civilian places such as Seoul. However... they WOULD indeed fire a relatively small amount of times at Seoul (thousands of rounds of artillery) to create a scene of chaos, but only AFTER taking out government and military installations inside the city (yepp, say goodbye to Yongsan). But your chances of surviving this are not nil... they are quite good if you don't live in Yongsan or Itaewon.

The people who say Seoul would be destroyed in 30 minutes are incorrect. That would only be in ALL of North Korea's artillery is pointed at Seoul, which it is DEFINITELY not. North Korea would be focusing it's fire on the military targets in and out of the DMZ, not Seoul (except for the points of strategic interest). A small attack on Seoul would take out the places that would really help the North Koreans, and a large attack on the DMZ would leave the South Korean army in ruins. It would create chaos and disrupt the city and country, which is what North Korea wants. I do believe much of the North Korean firepower would be taken out in the first few days, but if it doesn't get taken out, then indeed... Seoul could be destroyed in a last act of suicidal defiance.

Regardless... say goodbye to Itaewon, the Blue House, and any government or military office in the city. But your apartment? Huge chance it won't be hit... in the first few days anyhow!

[Steelrails]

[Died By Bear]

You'll all be fine, nothing will happen.

[partymop]

Damn, I live in HBC, literally a stone's throw away from the base. I couple months ago when I moved, I couldn't believe I was getting a nice, big place for such a great price. I was beginning to wonder what that horrible catch would be

[orosee]

North Korean nuclear capability does not have to have an offensive character, in fact it has already been pointed out that NK does not have efficient means of delivery that would ensure at least one warhead to reach a meaningful target.

I think the nature of the weapon(s) is defensive. Remember that only 2 nuclear weapons have ever been used in an offensive move. The entire cold war was based on the principle of mutually assured destruction, an idiotic principle that worked very well until one side ran out of money.

Having the bomb means for NK that being attacked has become very unlikely as long as they can hide the location(s). They can't guarantee total destruction like the Americans and Russians (and I guess now the Chinese as well) could, but they can keep any ground army at arm's length (or 10-20 km radius at least).

Having the POTENTIAL to a nuclear attack works so much better for KJI than an ACTUAL attack.

The problem is entirely on our side. What is a measured, clear and effective response to the artillery strike?

Personally I think something that would fit into COD or MOH, or if that is not possible, call China.

[decolyon]

Day 4: Since you decided to �pursue your education� after high school at a �college� instead of joining the military like your mother suggested, there is little for you at Osan. The airmen and soldiers there could use someone that learned how to use an M16 while you were smoking a bong in your dorm room pontificating on how true free market capitalism will only exist when we have the enforcement of social and economic libertarianism. Sober up you Ron Paul wannabe, it�s time to get your arse in gear. There are two paths past Osan AB. The first is to the East. It meanders through the tiny city of Songtan. Small, but with the panic that is likely to be abound, moving through this community is likely going to be a hassle. Remember, we�re going to try to avoid the population as much as possible. For fear of being robbed of cash or much needed food supplies, but also that if those psycho bastards up North control the air, the targets are going to be more populated areas. Especially those near a stratigically important base like Osan.

Instead, we move West. The peaceful Osancheon has now fed into the Jinwi-cheon. A larger river formed from the backwaters of the Yellow Sea. This path is slightly longer than the inner city route, but it will take you by an endless aray of rice paddies and other farm lands. A perfect opportunity to snag some veg and preserve you cereal bars and peanut butter you stole from the Family Mart. 12 miles on the Jinwi and it forks just on the outskirts of Peyongtaek, your rest point for the night. Locate the KTX tracks near the fork and head a little South until your in sight of Camp Humphreys. See if a soldier will spare an MRE or two and scout a quiet spot for the night. Shouldn�t be a problem, not a very populated area. Remember to avoid the crowded spots and set your sleepbad up under a few trees. Sleep tight!


Day 5: Since you should have stayed the night within site of the KTX tracks, you should have no problem linking up with them again and heading South. It�s a pretty easy day today, just a straight shot South. About halfway through the tracks make their way through a mountain tunnel (cool!) The only station on this rail is the sleepy town of Cheonan. It just so happens to be our hold up for the night. Considering it�s size and location, it should be quite simple to pass through this hamlet without ever being noticed by the locals.

One word of caution though. When following rails, it�s best not to walk on them or within a few meters of them. Should the North's airpower suddenly make improvements and they break South, they will try to interrupt the supply lines to the capitalist dogs further North. Major roads and train tracks are these lines. You don�t want to be too close when a 50 year old MiG drops a half ton bunker buster on those rails. Keep them in sight of your binoculars and try to remain out in the tall weeds if possible. Just a word of warning though, do what you want.

Day 6: Given the relative ease of yesterday�s trip, today we�ve really got to push ourselves. A 16 mile walk is ahead of us and it�s to the new government built technology city of Osong, just North of Yeongi. Sticking to KTX rails like before we�re going to make the short dog leg East and through the several mountain passes and over the river bridges along the way. You might want to stop and take a picture now as in month when you�re thrown into a NoKo prison labor camp, you�ll want some mental images of these pristine views. The trek is pretty straight forward and the huge new station at Osong is a clear indicator you�ve reached today�s destination. Over 16 miles you hoofed today, well done. You should have quads of steel at this point.

[Kimchifart]

[Konglishman]

[brento1138]

I say we foreigners band together to form a group! An ESL teacher group, all going towards Kyoung-ju together (you don't wanna go to Pusan, I will explain later*)! We'll be more powerful in a group, and have more stuff that we'll be able to carry. Supplies, such as water, food, hammers for breaking glass, bedding supplies. We'll also more easily be able to raid convenience stores for foods and supplies without too much worry...

Sure we'll be easily seen from the skies, but honestly, do you really think the North Koreans will get past the DMZ, even in the skies? They'll be shot down by the superior Korean F-15s and American F-16s. Don't forget the anti-aircraft guns you see all over Gyeongi-do (those things that look like astronomical observatories). So, the only real threat will actually be South Koreans trying to scramble over you and the artillery (possibly gas) that will reign over our heads. Also, when traveling in a group, if one person gets seriously injured, others can help him / her whereas if she / he were alone, that person would most likely die.

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*Kyeong-ju may be a better option than Busan. Busan is a key South Korean city and supplies area for South Korea. One of the scenarios thought up by various think-tanks (you can probably find the link on google somewhere) is that North Korea's main force will invade over (and possibly under) the DMZ while their special forces invade from the coast. The largest group of special forces will be assigned to Busan. North Korea has the largest special forces in the world. And they'll be looking to create chaos in Busan, since much of their artillery cannot reach it.

P.S. North Korea won't attack, but it's kinda fun to at least plan for the worst.