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oldfatfarang
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 Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Non-white teaching difficulties |
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| screwy101 wrote: |
She is having a hard time finding a teaching job because when they see her picture they assume that she can't speak English, which is rediculous because it is better than mine!
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It might pay to run her CV through a spell check.
http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com
Good luck |
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screwy101
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| natalia930 wrote: |
There are a couple other threads on this - I found this one helpful: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=193474
I'm American, but half Filipina, and I did run into a LOT of recruiters asking me what my ethnic background was. But even so, I ended up with 4 job offers. She just needs to keep looking, maybe send her info out to more recruiters. The fact that she has previous experience *should* help - maybe she needs to change the format of her resume? Read this thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2345865 |
those were helpful, thanks! |
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screwy101
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Non-white teaching difficulties |
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| oldfatfarang wrote: |
| screwy101 wrote: |
She is having a hard time finding a teaching job because when they see her picture they assume that she can't speak English, which is rediculous because it is better than mine!
What is more rediculous is |
It might pay to run her CV through a spell check.
http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com
Good luck |
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winterfall
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
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Poker
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
At least she will have a job. Better to get into the system, do well and then network for future opportunities, then to worry about things she can't control, no? |
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oldfatfarang
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Poker wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
At least she will have a job. Better to get into the system, do well and then network for future opportunities, then to worry about things she can't control, no? |
Not really, because if she gets a low ranked rural public school - she might have a very hard time of it. Both at the school, and from the locals.
I agree with the 'getting screwed on the placement track" point. I replaced a darker SA guy at my current rural school - and I know another black SA guy who was put on an island. At my EPIK orientation all the young handsome white boys went to the cities. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Poker wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
At least she will have a job. Better to get into the system, do well and then network for future opportunities, then to worry about things she can't control, no? |
Well that depends on the school and the area. The worst schools aren't in well to do areas. Sometimes they are, at the far border of the district. Though usually they're not. So unless your hanging around there on your own then your not likely to meet the contacts.
Plus you've got to factor in the quality of the experience. You'll get x experience years on paper. But it doesn't mean much. Example, I teach at a tech high school. My students are 1/10th the national average. This is lower than even elementary school students. And I volunteer teach elementary kids on the weekends. None of the material or lessons I have from my school is applicable to elementary kids. Besides the rudimentary phonics. So the experience is pretty much worth squat
Edit: Even the classroom management techniques are completely different. At a very low ranked school. Every second your fighting tooth and nails to get them to do anything. Pick up a pen, get paper, move your books, stop talking, sit down. And your always on standby to break up fights.
Compared to an average school even pre-school. Where the majority of the students don't have attitude problems. You don't need to spoon feed them anything.
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natalia930
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Poker wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
At least she will have a job. Better to get into the system, do well and then network for future opportunities, then to worry about things she can't control, no? |
Well its interesting that she already has teaching experience in Korea... |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
Got any proof??? I'm "colored" myself and know many other "colored" fellows in SMOE.....
I noticed zero of what your talking about....unless a school makes some specific requests; I think it's pretty damn random in placement.
Hell, the foreigner in charge of hiring in Gangnam district is Indian! |
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oldfatfarang
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
Got any proof??? I'm "colored" myself and know many other "colored" fellows in SMOE.....
I noticed zero of what your talking about....unless a school makes some specific requests; I think it's pretty damn random in placement.
Hell, the foreigner in charge of hiring in Gangnam district is Indian! |
With the greatest of respect Minos, Seoul is another world. We are talking about Korea - aka EPIK ( Exciled Provinces In Korea).
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
Got any proof??? I'm "colored" myself and know many other "colored" fellows in SMOE.....
I noticed zero of what your talking about....unless a school makes some specific requests; I think it's pretty damn random in placement.
Hell, the foreigner in charge of hiring in Gangnam district is Indian! |
Yea and I'm gyopo. And from what I've experienced and seen, that seems to be the norm. Case in point most of my african-american friends, on the really dark side. Came on board with 4-5 years experience, American public schools and hagwons. They were explicitly asked if they don't mind going to a "low level" school. Of course if you don't say yes, your not getting hired. Where did they wind up? The worst technical schools in Seoul. The places that no one else wanted. 1 school in fact had 4 runners in 6 months. Please explain to me how that's random.
This doesn't even bring up the fact old fat's right. Seoul is light years more liberal than the rest of country anyway.
By the way Gangnam is an upper class area. Many well to do families that spent time abroad. And neither is it a part of SMOE. 
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Go the public route. Far less discrimination during the hiring process. |
Yes but you usually get screwed on the placement track. Go to any of the public school workshops. Do your rounds and you'll find out the harder, lower ranked schools almost always have a FT with a colored face and most of them are usually experienced too. Higher ranked academic schools seem to take in all the inexperienced white teachers. |
Got any proof??? I'm "colored" myself and know many other "colored" fellows in SMOE.....
I noticed zero of what your talking about....unless a school makes some specific requests; I think it's pretty damn random in placement.
Hell, the foreigner in charge of hiring in Gangnam district is Indian! |
Yea and I'm gyopo. And from what I've experienced and seen, that seems to be the norm. Case in point most of my african-american friends, on the really dark side were explicitly asked if they don't mind going to a low level school. Of course if you don't say yes, your not getting hired. Where did they wind up? The worst technical schools in Seoul. The places that no one else wanted and had high turnover rates. 1 school in fact had 4 runners in 6 months. Please explain to me how that's random.
This doesn't even mention the fact that old fat's right Seoul is light years more liberal than the rest of country anyway.
By the way Gangnam is an upper class area. Many well to do families that spent time abroad. And neither is it a part of SMOE. |
If you're with EPIK it's pretty random, no system based on skin color. |
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