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rms2279



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Scamps



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm not a plumber but in the US we don't have a switch for hot water so it's always "on". Maybe that's why most of us never ran into this experience before. I was just trying to do my part for the environment and not to have an enormous gas bill but I guess in Korea that cannot be done Sad
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rms, your students probably don't know much about plumbing.

Scamps, your thermostat is probably like most others - when you leave, you turn it down to the lowest temp/away setting. All that does is maintain the heat. Water is an excellent heat sink, but it takes a while to heat up, so if you turn it off, it can take a while to build up that heat again. When I came back from a vacation a few winters ago, it took the whole day for my apartment to warm up again, but when I come home from work every day, it takes about 20 minutes.

Heaters in the US do have on/off switches, but we don't have ondols, so we don't use them and most people don't know anything about them.

There are about a dozen threads on this topic. I bet 100 bucks, the majority of peoples problems are A) the main line coming to the building broke because the ground heaved, B) they live in an old building with out outdoor meter that burst (although, according to the JoongAng Ilbo, "more than 200 Seoulites reported burst meters...", so considering the size of the Seoul, that's a drop in the bucket), or C) it's an area-wide outage while they repair something related to the cold.

Remember, this is the country that believes you die when you sleep with a fan in the room. Take everything they say about water pipes with that in mind. Pipes in a building won't freeze unless they are exposed outside, above grade to the air. Saying "my pipes are frozen" is like saying "my watchamacallit is broken."
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2931118

This article mentions the spate of burst mains.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2931126

A nice photo of a burst pipe from OUTSIDE the building.
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Scamps



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, smarty!
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rms2279



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See, this is why I like Dave's: ESL teaching advice AND plumbing trouble-shooting info all in one place.


Yes, but it's not the teacher's responsibility to have working plumbing in the apartment.
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schwa



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Location: Yap

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:

Yes, but it's not the teacher's responsibility to have working plumbing in the apartment.

Sometimes it is. Leaving your system turned off in freezing conditions is negligent & the onus is on the tenant.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
lifeinkorea wrote:

Yes, but it's not the teacher's responsibility to have working plumbing in the apartment.

Sometimes it is. Leaving your system turned off in freezing conditions is negligent & the onus is on the tenant.


I live north of North Korea right now. Anything you guys are experiencing now I am experiencing more. It says the low is -30 where I am.

Before I leave my apartment, I turn EVERYTHING off. Nothing is broken. I come home and I have adequate "warmth".

We are not talking sophisticated plumbing here. When I lived in Korea, I had 2 apartments in particular where there was that ondol floor system which had piping. The first place never worked until they looked at it, and it WAS NOT at my expense. They never had it working. The second place had basically a huge hole at the side of the wall where the air conditioning system was installed. You could stand near the window and see your breath. This too I turned everything off before I left.

There is absolutely no proof the tenant is at fault when winter comes around and the landlord doesn't want to do the necessary work to have a working heating system.

At my current apartment they didn't put the heater in properly. The knob to turn the heat on has 3 settings. Settings 1 and 2 didn't do a thing. Setting 3 made it a little warm, but it was basically like flicking a Bic lighter to heat a room. Then one day the heater stopped working. After threatening to leave and having 2 teams from maintenance look at the situation, they found the problem.

Apparently the heater was installed within the wall and not positioned to direct heat out the vent system. This caused the breaker switch to go cause it was overheating behind the wall. They cut about a 1 foot square in the wall and shifted the unit over, and then patched it up with a cover. Now, I can set it to 2 or 1 and feel the warmth.

The landlord didn't want to pay the labor to have this fixed and if I didn't threaten to move out, they wouldn't have looked at it.

Don't assume responsibility. Have them look at it. They have to prove you are at fault and if it isn't working properly now, NOT in February but now THE COLDEST FRIGGIN time of the year, chances are the system wasn't good to begin with. My bet is they didn't do proper maintenance.

It's not like it was working fine until February, and then the tenant forgot to "take care" of the system.

I don't buy that excuse.
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caribmon



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of buying bottled water, just get one of those white containers from hardware store and find a park with free water, well water or even regular tap water. There's always good quality well water somewhere close by. I always go to the mountain to get drinking water. Just getting bath water would be an extra trip.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caribmon wrote:
Instead of buying bottled water, just get one of those white containers from hardware store and find a park with free water, well water or even regular tap water. There's always good quality well water somewhere close by. I always go to the mountain to get drinking water. Just getting bath water would be an extra trip.


Or save yourself a bundle of case and just go to the jimjilbang to wash.

If I were the OP though, I'd suck it up and see how long I could go without bathing. Make sure that you do lots of exercise to build up a sweat. And don't forget to eat lots of garlic. See how long you boss can tolerate your stench before he decides that it's worth paying to fix your plumbing.

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tealeeds1



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im in the same boat as the OP, no running water for 5 days...

I've only just moved to Korea, living down near Busan. I moved in on Friday, and I had running water, but by Saturday morning it wasn't working.

My co-teacher came round that day and I showed her and she rang the landlord, who said the pipes were frozen and someone would be round on Monday. No one came round on Monday.

On Sunday, I had gone to the supermarket and lugged home 24 litres of water as my toilet stank (flushing the toilet took 12 litres alone!) and I really wanted to wash and brush my teeth before my first day of work. I heated water in the kettle and washed in the sink, as well as doing my washing up.

On Tuesday the landlord informed me of a tap behind the building, so I've been able to at least refill my bottles for free. I have access to clean cold water, so I can flush my toilet regularly, brush my teeth, wash my hands, cook and do my washing up. I also boil some water and leave it to cool so I can drink it.

Tomorrow I'm going to go to the public baths before work, as I havent washed properly since I moved in. An quick wash in the sink is fine for a quick fix, but its not a long term solution. Also, its hard to properly wash your hair. I dont like that my colleagues' and kids' first impressions of me are me stinking lol

I dont want to be making ransom demands in my first week really - I did request that the school put me up in a motel until the water is fixed, but nothings come of it... I only asked my department head though, as I dont feel I know the principal well enough to ask myself.. Equally, I feel the landlord might be taking advantage of the fact Im new here and am still jsut settling in. I think how I react now could set a precedent for the year... I dont want to be on bad terms with her, but I need this sorting asap!


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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a really gross thread, BTW.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm always astounded at how kind people are when being screwed over. If you are working at a hogwan and they are providing an apartment for you and that is in the contract, not providing basic services (water, electricity, etc.) is a breach of contract. THEY are responsible for this. It is part of your salary package. Your boss would certainly NOT go wash at a public sauna for 3 or 4 or more days! If it was his apartment, you can be sure it would be fixed.

I agree with the earlier posters...if they are making no move to correct the problem after several days, simply sitting in the office at work and not teaching will remedy things VERY QUICKLY. Tell them you are happy to comply with the conditions of the contract when they are ready to do the same!

As an aside, Koreans are so incredibly proud of Korea and its rise in the world, blah, blah...mentioning that you are surprised that a modern country like Korea cannot fix these problems that are easily corrected in a place like China (which is so far below them, duh!)... Such a situation is a little embarrassing for Korea, etc... I told my family how great Korea is compared to other places in Asia, but now...

I also find these kinds of comments will also promote action.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, we will stand by our hagwon owner through thick and thin. We will walk a mile in their footsteps before doubting them. We will reap the benefit from their wisdom.
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