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drydell
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PatrickGHBusan
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Just saying here West coast..read the quoted passage from Madoka's post please.
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And for the record, yeah, this sort of brutality is quite commonplace in our home countries as well:
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/issues/factoryfarming/eggs/
"In one notorious case of extraordinary cruelty at Ward Egg Ranch in February 2003 in San Diego County, California, more than 15,000 spent laying hens were tossed alive into a wood-chipping machine to dispose of them. Despite tremendous outcry from a horrified public, the district attorney declined to prosecute the owners of the egg farm, calling the use of a wood-chipper to kill hens a "common industry practice." |
West coast you say this is a Korea life discussion board and it is. But you are the one who said things like this would not go unpunished in the US or other Western nations so the comparison example posted by madoka becomes quite relevant.
As for the stupid ignorant implication that KOREANS do not care about issue X, it is laughable. This is about A BUNCH OF FARMERS trying to protect their livelihood. They went the wrong way about it but they sure do not REPRESENT all KOREANS.
By the way my wife told me about this story before I read it here and she was horrified and angry. So I guess theres ONE KOREAN that is not part of the hive mind right?  |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| So, it is pretty desperate when you try to show stats from other countries in an attempt to deflect what is happening in Korea. . .And please, mad, stay on topic. Focus on the issue at hand. |
Another poster asked in this thread for examples of animals killed in our home countries. I responded.
Next time, be a good boy and please try to follow along before posting. |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not gonna condone that video, but at the same time, do you think most livestock are treated or slaughtered in a much better fashion? If you're up in arms about this then you should probably go vegetarian, because the pork in your jiggae probably isn't treated much better than this. |
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tiger fancini
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Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| RMNC wrote: |
| If you're up in arms about this then you should probably go vegetarian, because the pork in your jiggae probably isn't treated much better than this. |
100% agree. Sometimes I think 'humane slaughter" was a term invented by pansy liberals to make them feel better about eating animals that they feel it is ok to eat. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| RMNC wrote: |
| If you're up in arms about this then you should probably go vegetarian, because the pork in your jiggae probably isn't treated much better than this. |
100% agree. Sometimes I think 'humane slaughter" was a term invented by pansy liberals to make them feel better about eating animals that they feel it is ok to eat. |
Both the method by which animals are cared for and the means of slaughtering them can definitely and indisputably be more or less humane as compared to other methods and means. This idea that we either have to be strict vegetarians or elsewise accept any and all treatment of animals as ethically valid is fallacious. There are completely valid middle grounds to take on this matter. |
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smartwentcrazy
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
Sounds like somebody's got an inferiority complex.
And I will add, this is a discussion forum related to life in Korea. This isn't the American job discussion forum. This isn't the Australian job discussion forum. It is about Korea. So, it is pretty desperate when you try to show stats from other countries in an attempt to deflect what is happening in Korea. Man, and you are the one talking about being small minded. However, I am not surprised that you like to pull out the petty and shallow insults as you've done so often on posts here. It is called insecurity. Attention seeking. The point of this post is about the atrocity that was committed in Korea. Where is the outrage? Isn't this a place which protests like crazy if the US sends a hamburger over? I don't doubt that there are Koreans who are upset over this, but I would like to see if anything is being done to stop it. On the Korean end. And please, mad, stay on topic. Focus on the issue at hand. |
Atrocity? As far as I can tell, you're the only simple minded person in this discussion. An atrocity would be the genocide and ethnic cleansing happening all over the world right now. An atrocity would be the mass killings and unspeakable crimes committed against innocent HUMANS in every country at every minute. An atrocity is NOT the culling of diseased animals that have the potential to cripple a country's entire agricultural industry. Admittedly, the farmers could've disposed of these animals in a more tactful manner, but the main concern was to halt the transmission of the disease. There was no malicious intent behind this culling. The farmers weren't getting their jollies on from putting these pigs in these graves. Action has already been taken and the farmers responsible have been rephrimanded by government officials. What more do you want you simpleton? The complete liberation of animals? Maybe you should focus your time on more pressing matters that are affecting PEOPLE everyday. |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Both the method by which animals are cared for and the means of slaughtering them can definitely and indisputably be more or less humane as compared to other methods and means. This idea that we either have to be strict vegetarians or elsewise accept any and all treatment of animals as ethically valid is fallacious. There are completely valid middle grounds to take on this matter. |
I agree. As a former vegan and vegetarian I can say that I would have no qualms with eating dogs, or the most doe-eyed sheep in the world, as long as it's slaughtered humanely. I see things more along the terms that Slavoj Zizek does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TqyKsnQD38
However, the truth is that it's likely a huge portion of the animals that we eat probably don't have very good lives or very humane slaughter methods when they die, it's far more industrial and methodical. I can accept that. Torturing animals, like beating dogs before the slaughter, is going too far in my opinion, but there are various levels of humaneness. Still, I think that there are far too many people who will see this video, be disgusted, and then happily go out for some samgyupsal, not realizing that the dirty, overbred drooling pigs that they use to make samgyupsal are lined up, have their throats slit, and writhe around on the floor while convulsing and evacuating themselves. I'm okay with that image, though. Call me cruel but I still love bacon, before during and after seeing a video of pigs being buried. |
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West Coast Tatterdemalion
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Apologizing for animal cruelty. Wow. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Death is cruel, any attempt to make it humane is just being less cruel, not being humane.
Also humane killing is a luxury of technology. Put any one of us on an island of pigs with no tools and we'd end up killing one to survive by repeatedly bashing its head with a stick or rock. Does technology enables morality? I don't know.
That being said they should have burned the animals, not buried them. I think that's what they did in England for FMD. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Death is cruel, any attempt to make it humane is just being less cruel, not being humane. |
Actively striving to be less cruel is a humane thing to do.
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| Also humane killing is a luxury of technology. |
Well, fortunately we have technology, so nothing is stopping us from indulging in that luxury.
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| Does technology enables morality? I don't know. |
If you view morality as an objective set of rules that should be followed, then at most technology can make doing the right thing easier. If on the other hand you understand ethical pursuits as a means to both improve yourself as a person and improve your society in pursuit of some ideal, technological advances not only enable increasingly more ethical behavior, they demand it. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| Apologizing for animal cruelty. Wow. |
Please tell me that you are purposely acting dense for the purposes of trolling. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Wasted bacon...  |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Apparently the pigs are enacting revenge after death. The methane buildup has led to explosions with decomposing pig going everywhere. I saw it on the news the other day. |
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ajosshi
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Location: ajosshi.com
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Are these the same people that "manage" the Englishee programs in Korea? |
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