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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| They did it to themselves by aborting their females. I foresee homosexuality being prominent in the near future in places like China and Korea. |
Presumably you mean among males; by the same token, it should become less prominent among females. (Damn!  )
I've long had this pet theory that homosexuality might act as a natural valve on overpopulation. Whether demographic changes such as this affect rates of homosexuality should be an interesting social experiment.
Oh, wait, I forgot...homosexuality does not occur in Korea. Never mind. |
I'm confused... is it genetic or a choice?
For years I've been told that it's not a choice... so then how could all of these men suddenly become homosexual? |
Some gay guys who went to my high school had tried and struck out with chicks before making the shift. There was one feller though who did seem to have a different kinda thing going on with his hormones, tho, so I suppose it could be both, with the majority being the former imho. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I doesn't necessarily need to be homosexual. It could go down to Thai-style third genderism. |
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Livewire
Joined: 27 Feb 2011
Location: BI-WINNING!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| So no Chinese imperialism then- instead a homosexalisation of the Asain continent? |
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Skyblue
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm hoping a pandemic clears up the problem. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm hoping a pandemic clears up the problem. |
China is no stranger to that.
Melamine tainted baby formula, anyone? |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| More likely what is already happening. More drinking, drugs hookers. The old Chinese family is breaking down. No wives means no grandchildren, no one to help the ancestor's spirit. it is already happening. There is an increase in crime and divorce. Also Women since they are rare are gaining power. The old mores that kept China together are being swept aside. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Space Bar wrote: |
| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| They did it to themselves by aborting their females. I foresee homosexuality being prominent in the near future in places like China and Korea. |
Presumably you mean among males; by the same token, it should become less prominent among females. (Damn! )
I've long had this pet theory that homosexuality might act as a natural valve on overpopulation. Whether demographic changes such as this affect rates of homosexuality should be an interesting social experiment.
Oh, wait, I forgot...homosexuality does not occur in Korea. Never mind. |
I'm confused... is it genetic or a choice?
For years I've been told that it's not a choice... so then how could all of these men suddenly become homosexual? |
In my first paragraph, I was just extending WCT's logic, although I don't necessarily agree with it.
I think Fox hones most closely to the consensus paradigm favored in behavioral and psychological sciences: one must be born with a predisposition, and then environmental events trigger expression of the trait in question, whether that be schizophrenia, homosexuality, or any number of others.
However, we already have evidence of increased homosexual activity in places lacking in females, i.e. prisons. There are men who only engage in the behavior while inside, and never before or after. Were they born with a predisposition? Perhaps, because others will spend decades inside without engaging in homosexual activity. Nevertheless, here we have evidence of a female scarce environment causing an increase in homosexual behavior.
OTOH, I had always thought that gays were born that way, but now I've discovered the truth: women drive them to it!  |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| Space Bar wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Space Bar wrote: |
| West Coast Tatterdemalion wrote: |
| They did it to themselves by aborting their females. I foresee homosexuality being prominent in the near future in places like China and Korea. |
Presumably you mean among males; by the same token, it should become less prominent among females. (Damn! )
I've long had this pet theory that homosexuality might act as a natural valve on overpopulation. Whether demographic changes such as this affect rates of homosexuality should be an interesting social experiment.
Oh, wait, I forgot...homosexuality does not occur in Korea. Never mind. |
I'm confused... is it genetic or a choice?
For years I've been told that it's not a choice... so then how could all of these men suddenly become homosexual? |
In my first paragraph, I was just extending WCT's logic, although I don't necessarily agree with it.
I think Fox hones most closely to the consensus paradigm favored in behavioral and psychological sciences: one must be born with a predisposition, and then environmental events trigger expression of the trait in question, whether that be schizophrenia, homosexuality, or any number of others.
However, we already have evidence of increased homosexual activity in places lacking in females, i.e. prisons. There are men who only engage in the behavior while inside, and never before or after. Were they born with a predisposition? Perhaps, because others will spend decades inside without engaging in homosexual activity. Nevertheless, here we have evidence of a female scarce environment causing an increase in homosexual behavior.
OTOH, I had always thought that gays were born that way, but now I've discovered the truth: women drive them to it! |
yeah, couldn't it be both factors?? What a concept! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ut if that's the case, it'd mean that some can choose not to be gay. That'd be a hard statement for many people to swallow. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| ut if that's the case, it'd mean that some can choose not to be gay. That'd be a hard statement for many people to swallow. |
Yes, some people can essentially choose not to be gay in terms of their lifestyle and behavior. Many people probably fall into this category in fact, experiencing a mild attraction that may even lead them to experimentation, but later rejecting it and embracing a fully heterosexual lifestyle. So what? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| ut if that's the case, it'd mean that some can choose not to be gay. That'd be a hard statement for many people to swallow. |
Yes, some people can essentially choose not to be gay in terms of their lifestyle and behavior. Many people probably fall into this category in fact, experiencing a mild attraction that may even lead them to experimentation, but later rejecting it and embracing a fully heterosexual lifestyle. So what? |
So... then all of those people saying that you can choose not to be gay might be correct. Fundamentalist parents that 'council' their children to be hetero.
I was always under the impression that gay and lesbian groups denounced that possibility. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
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| ut if that's the case, it'd mean that some can choose not to be gay. That'd be a hard statement for many people to swallow. |
Yes, some people can essentially choose not to be gay in terms of their lifestyle and behavior. Many people probably fall into this category in fact, experiencing a mild attraction that may even lead them to experimentation, but later rejecting it and embracing a fully heterosexual lifestyle. So what? |
So... then all of those people saying that you can choose not to be gay might be correct. Fundamentalist parents that 'council' their children to be hetero. |
Yes, if you're a cultist who values an ideology over your child's happiness, you might be successful with this approach assuming your child is only moderately inclined towards homosexuality. Someone who is only moderately inclined is unlikely to ever be outwardly homosexual in such an environment anyway, though, so more often than not we're probably talking about people who are strongly inclined towards homosexuality, and attempts to "council" them back to heterosexuality will likely end in tears (as they so often do).
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| I was always under the impression that gay and lesbian groups denounced that possibility. |
Just like people who go around denying the concept of race, these people are putting their (admittedly admirable) social goals above the truth. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, if you're a cultist who values an ideology over your child's happiness |
The belief that homosexuality is wrong is not mutually exclusive with concern for a child's happiness. In anecdotal fact, it's been my experience that parents who worry about their children's sexual orientations do so almost solely for the children's well-being. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, if you're a cultist who values an ideology over your child's happiness |
The belief that homosexuality is wrong is not mutually exclusive with concern for a child's happiness. In anecdotal fact, it's been my experience that parents who worry about their children's sexual orientations do so almost solely for the children's well-being. |
Spiritual well being or actual well being? "I'm worried my child will go to Hell," and, "I'm worried my child will be unhappy with their own life choices at a later date," are two very different things. Having a calm, serious discussion with your child about their life choices, and threatening them, condemning them, or "exorcising" them are also very different things.
Someone having a serious talk about the potential implications of a homosexual lifestyle with their child and then accepting and continuing to love their child regardless of their decision is fine. Those aren't the people I'm talking about, and I assume they aren't the people the Captain is talking about, given he put "council" in quotes. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
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| ut if that's the case, it'd mean that some can choose not to be gay. That'd be a hard statement for many people to swallow. |
Yes, some people can essentially choose not to be gay in terms of their lifestyle and behavior. Many people probably fall into this category in fact, experiencing a mild attraction that may even lead them to experimentation, but later rejecting it and embracing a fully heterosexual lifestyle. So what? |
So... then all of those people saying that you can choose not to be gay might be correct. Fundamentalist parents that 'council' their children to be hetero.
I was always under the impression that gay and lesbian groups denounced that possibility. |
One cannot choose the predisposition. One can, however, choose not to act upon it, just like one can choose not to act upon one's heterosexuality despite such a predisposition. Save for asexuals, that is a fairly extreme course to pursue. |
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