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wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| schools are different to hakwons though |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| wylde wrote: |
| schools are different to hakwons though |
But should they be? |
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wylde

Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| ryleeys wrote: |
| wylde wrote: |
| schools are different to hakwons though |
But should they be? |
thats not a real question....
1 is compulsory & 1 is elective... the difference is massive |
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dodgybarnet

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Location: Directly above the centre of the earth. On a kickboard.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| You break the rules set out at the begining of the year (they are posted in each class room!) you pay the price. |
Rules? Now that's a cunning plan - I don't suppose anyone has a list of rules they use do they?
I'm flying in to Seoul soon and just in case a my school doesn't have a decent rule set, I'd like to show the students my own version.
I'm a newbie at this teaching gig so wouldn't know where to start.
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sadsac
Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Gwangwang
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Previous school enforcable rules, no Korean taeching staff. New school, just introduced rules, foreign teachers enforces, Korean teachers, no thanks, too much trouble. My class my rules, kids are aware that I will reward good work and behavior and punish transgressors. Consistency works every time.  |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 6:22 am Post subject: |
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I got in a bit of trouble this week for giving a student a zero on a test because she cheated on a test...
Another student told me that her parents told her that she doesn't have to listen to me like she does Korean teachers.... are you friggin' kidding me? Then why spend that kinda money to have her in my class?
Alot of my students found out about me getting in trouble for the test incident and now when I try to discipline, they tell me that they are going to "tell on me" to the director or their mothers. I say, go ahead, I don't care. |
You need to leave that job as soon as possible. |
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osangrl
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Location: osan
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:19 am Post subject: |
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wylde wrote:
The Great Wall of Whiner wrote:
once for spitting on me.
i would have picked him up and threw him against the wall
And then kicked him several times when he was trying to get up again. Little qunt.
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omigod...i was in mid swall there of a yogurt and darn near choked. funniest thing said tonite. |
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Crois

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: You could be next so watch out.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:23 am Post subject: |
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We were beating our kids today but only because a few of them turned up. Sports day today.
Well we were play fighting with them and only one kid cried. |
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Falstaff
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Location: Ansan
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Rules? Now that's a cunning plan - I don't suppose anyone has a list of rules they use do they?
I'm flying in to Seoul soon and just in case a my school doesn't have a decent rule set, I'd like to show the students my own version.
I'm a newbie at this teaching gig so wouldn't know where to start.
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Even though I'm in the States, classroom management is fairly universal, so I'll give this a stab. And mind you, I teach students with Behavioral Disorders, so you can imagine my fun.
The general guidelines are to remember that you are the adult-- always act like it. If you do this, you avoid a lot of power struggles. Keep the rules clear and simple, and the consequences clear, appropriate, and enforceable. Before you make any rules, be sure the director/principal/administrator/whatever your school calls the person in charge will back you up. Without this support, classrom rules are as useless as a screen door on a submarine.
Here are my rules.
1. Respect everyone in this class, including yourself, whether you feel it is deserved or not.
2. See number 1.
That's it. I make it this simple. This rule covers everything I need it to. I don't need to tell my last class of the day that sleeping is rude, but my first class fought me often. If we try to make lists that are all encompassing, you will always miss something. If a student does something minor that is rude, I will tell the student it is unacceptable and ask him to correct his behavior. I will also tell him what will happen if he does the action again. For example, "Billy Joe Bob, sleeping in class is rude because it ignores me and what I am trying to accomplish. You need to stay awake. If you go asleep again, I will take away your desk and make you stand for the remainder of the period." If Billy Joe Bob does it again, he loses his desk. There are no surprises.
Make punishments clear, and if you threaten to do something, do it. If you make empty threats, the kids will walk all over you. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: Rules |
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Rules and regulations for my class
1. No speaking Korean
2. No fighting
3. No yelling
4. Always be respectful to each other
5. Always bring to class, a pencil, pen, eraser, notebook and textbook
Disciplines
1. Expulsion from class....very very bad
2. Taken before Principal very bad
3. Stand with chair over head bad
4. Stand in hallway with hands raised so-so bad
5. Phonecall to Mother and Father OH! SO VERY VERY BAD
Posted in all classes of the school, our students know what is allowable and the punishments for breaking the rules. We have a lot of flexibility as to how they are applied as you cant punish someone everytime they speak Korean as you would end up punishing the entire class on a daily basis.
I use them more as something to point out to the rule breaker. With the pen pencil notebook rule I usually give a student three chances a month before I make them hold a chair over their head. Everybody forgets something sometime. |
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peemil

Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Location: Koowoompa
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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I got in a bit of trouble this week for giving a student a zero on a test because she cheated on a test...
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I got this one. When I was giving the test the director come in and said... "Why not just let them open their boks while doing the test."
THEN WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT OF HAVING A FUCKING TEST YOU DOZY COW.
Oh... "Because if they get bad marks the parents will be unhappy."
WELL MAYBE IF LITTLE TIMMY OR JANE DIDN'T SPEND MOST OF THEIR FUCKING TIME CLIMBING THE WALLS THEY WOULD KNOW!
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject: I can relate |
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I can relate Peemil
Gave a test to our advanced class? Some did very well (the ones that listen and are pretty smart) the others marks ranged from 15%(the worst) to about 60% the top 3 students got in the 90%
I gave the tests to the director and he said 'well we cant give them these tests back' Why not? 'Their parents would be upset' Sigh so what am i supposed to do 'oh give them all 85%+ that way they will be happy' Okay dont ask me to make up any tests if they dont mean anything its a waste of my time...next test will be what is your name? Do you like candy? Very good 100% everyone is happy
Hogwans are only in the game for the pursuit of the almighty buck
I got in heck for teaching the students how to write...this is a speaking and listening hogwan after 3 years here they will go to the other academy(that she owns) and learn to read and write They why do you sell them books they cant read?
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Sucker
Joined: 11 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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When I was teaching in a hagwon we had a test.
It was planned for weeks - we made these fancy littel cards for all the parents asking them to come in and watch the test. Then we turned one of the classrooms into this stadium where the parents could sit against the walls and watch all the children take the "test" in the middle of the room.
Then we gave all the children the questions and drilled them on this test for like three whole weeks. Most boring classes I ever had - both for me and the kids. Each class we would go through the test twice, five days a week for three weeks.
They didn't understand why the answer was the answer - they just memorized what to write where.
Anyway - almost everyone got 100%, all the parents where delighted (fooled??) and enrollments went up.......... |
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Hagwon Muppet
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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We had something very similar....trained them for weeks....word perfect...they knew their shit. Some of them could even speak without memorisation.
As soon as mommy was in the room none of the little shiznits would talk!!
You tell me!!!!! |
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Sucker
Joined: 11 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure seen that before. A few of my students actually learnt a few things in that place. We could hold a half decent conversation after I had been there for a year. But if you ran into them in the street with their parents - it would be hihowareyoufinethanksandyou.... |
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