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Triban
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| Korea doesn't have creativity. They just copy other companies. Apple is JUST realizing this? |
The same could be said about the Americans in the 1840s, Japan in the 1860s and Germany in the 1870s. All states have and still do copy to catch up. |
America probably has more inventions/patents than anyone in the world. This from a country that is barely centuries old. |
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methdxman
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Triban wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
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| Korea doesn't have creativity. They just copy other companies. Apple is JUST realizing this? |
The same could be said about the Americans in the 1840s, Japan in the 1860s and Germany in the 1870s. All states have and still do copy to catch up. |
America probably has more inventions/patents than anyone in the world. This from a country that is barely centuries old. |
That is the boldest statement I've ever heard in my life...
More inventions than anyone in the world? As in sheer number? Patents? Cumulative? Per year?
Here are some per year stats:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/most-patent-registering-countries.html (patents)
http://www.suite101.com/content/most-inventive-countries-a8271 (international patents)
I did a quick spreadsheet seeing how many patents per million people this amounted to (I trust you'll take my word for it):
US: 510 and 149 (total and international respectively)
Japan: 991 and 196
Germany: 507 and 195
France: 562 and 89
UK: 545 and 82
South Korea: 721 and 97
What can we conclude from this data? Let's just give the US the benefit of the doubt and say that international patents are the most important since they encompass global business: Both Japan and Germany beat U.S. in terms of international patent filings per 1 million people by almost 35%. That's called getting your ass kicked.
If you want to just talk about total number of patents filed per 1 million people, Japan and South Korea destroy the U.S.
I agree that the U.S. has been vital in modern technological advancements including the internet... but, you can't just throw around a "bro"-like statement like that, bro.
Total number of patents? Sure U.S. wins, but we have 300+ million people. At least we're doing better than China! |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| methdxman wrote: |
| Triban wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
| Triban wrote: |
| Korea doesn't have creativity. They just copy other companies. Apple is JUST realizing this? |
The same could be said about the Americans in the 1840s, Japan in the 1860s and Germany in the 1870s. All states have and still do copy to catch up. |
America probably has more inventions/patents than anyone in the world. This from a country that is barely centuries old. |
That is the boldest statement I've ever heard in my life...
More inventions than anyone in the world? As in sheer number? Patents? Cumulative? Per year?
Here are some per year stats:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/most-patent-registering-countries.html (patents)
http://www.suite101.com/content/most-inventive-countries-a8271 (international patents)
I did a quick spreadsheet seeing how many patents per million people this amounted to (I trust you'll take my word for it):
US: 510 and 149 (total and international respectively)
Japan: 991 and 196
Germany: 507 and 195
France: 562 and 89
UK: 545 and 82
South Korea: 721 and 97
What can we conclude from this data? Let's just give the US the benefit of the doubt and say that international patents are the most important since they encompass global business: Both Japan and Germany beat U.S. in terms of international patent filings per 1 million people by almost 35%. That's called getting your ass kicked.
If you want to just talk about total number of patents filed per 1 million people, Japan and South Korea destroy the U.S.
I agree that the U.S. has been vital in modern technological advancements including the internet... but, you can't just throw around a "bro"-like statement like that, bro.
Total number of patents? Sure U.S. wins, but we have 300+ million people. At least we're doing better than China! |
But there's not just one America, is there. The US is more demographically divided than the other countries in your spreadsheet. There's the ghetto/hillbilly provincial America, and there's also the coastal, entrepreneurial, IT-services America. Your spreadsheet would yield different numbers if it only reflected the portion of the American population that is physically and socially involved in the creative and technological industries. Of course that's nothing for America to be proud of, but it's a relevant observation.
I don't really think looking at this as if it were a matter of crass statistical one-upmanship is going to yield much enlightenment, though. Number of patents doesn't necessarily have a strong correlation to level of creativity, if any. There's a new patent every time someone designs a new office chair. There's a new patent every time someone makes a new smartphone app for comparing the prices of dog food. The vast majority of work that goes into most things that are patentable is just banal technical labor that is carried out at a relatively low level. 500 new patents does not mean 500 brilliant New Ideas; the number of "game-changing" patents will be only a fraction of that pool, and in each country it won't necessarily be in any proportion whatsoever to the total number of patents.
I think what Triban may have meant is that certain countries have indeed produced a disproportionately high number of those "game-changing" inventions, and that the United States may be one of them. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Its amusing to read Westerners suggest developing world countries like China copy the West's products but not the West's intellectual property laws. |
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cwflaneur
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Game changing patents usually require massive amounts of capital available for R&D.
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| It's about time more companies started taking a leaf out of their book and coming out with their own ideas, otherwise you will just see Apple continue to steal the show. |
It's not about the show. It's about profit. Companies aren't in business to "steal the show" or make a Time Magazine Top 10 list. They are in business to make profit. If profit comes from avoiding massive R&D costs by copying something and then selling it to a greater number of customers, then so be it.
Not everyone can be Apple and not everyone should try.
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| merica probably has more inventions/patents than anyone in the world. This from a country that is barely centuries old. |
How old is Germany?
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Apple knew all along but are now getting sick of the Koreans going around the world saying how Samsung is best. number 1 and insulting the Ipad.
I guess Steve is sick of it.. |
Yeah, that's how business decisions get made. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Game changing patents usually require massive amounts of capital available for R&D.
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It's not about the show. It's about profit. Companies aren't in business to "steal the show" or make a Time Magazine Top 10 list. They are in business to make profit. If profit comes from avoiding massive R&D costs by copying something and then selling it to a greater number of customers, then so be it.
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Samsung doesn't have money for R&D? Don't take my word for it, but I think it's part of their budget. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| cwflaneur wrote: |
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Game changing patents usually require massive amounts of capital available for R&D.
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It's not about the show. It's about profit. Companies aren't in business to "steal the show" or make a Time Magazine Top 10 list. They are in business to make profit. If profit comes from avoiding massive R&D costs by copying something and then selling it to a greater number of customers, then so be it.
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Samsung doesn't have money for R&D? Don't take my word for it, but I think it's part of their budget. |
Samsung has R&D, but to throw all of it at developing something completely new, rather than improving upon something is a strategy that may not be profitable.
Volvo is innovative. Honda just makes flat out good cars. Who cares if Honda is innovative or not? Not everything we buy has to be cutting edge. Not every company has to make cutting edge products. My MP3 player is a cheap Chinese one that cost 40 bucks. Some consumers don't want the latest iPOD, they just want a cheap MP3 player. Not every business should have the same model- after all, that is uncreative. |
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brickabrack
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| When comparing patent statistics, you need to keep in mind that some industries are patent intensive, while others are not. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| When comparing patent statistics, you need to keep in mind that some industries are patent intensive, while others are not. |
Even with that in mind, it seems like a ludicrous thing to compare. Any idiot can come up with something that's totally useless and patent it. The comparison should be how useful those things that have been patented are in usage. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. How much money have they spend developing humanoid robots like Asimo? Must be a lot. And as far as I know none of their robots are even for sale (though I heard Asimo can be rented for like US$100,000). |
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amo_jh
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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This board is ridicules me. Majority seem to think only Apple is the creative one. Apple is hardly an innovative company. They take existing ideas and make them better, just like Samsung. Xerox anyone? LG Prada phone? What you guys don't know is that Samsung spends on R&D about 10 times the amount Apple spends. Samsung is also second to only IBM in number of patents in US.
Samsung just filed pantent infringement lawsuit against Apple. Samsung is claiming actual patent infringement on clearly defined technology, whereas Apple's claim is on look and feel which is highly subjective. The fact is nobody can make a cellphone without using at least several of Samsung's patents. Apple started a war they cannot win. |
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Mikejelai
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Samsung is gonna take a big hit on this one (my prediction). No, I am not an intellectual property lawyer (just a humble small town general practice lawyer). In their haste to play catch up/stave off the industry giant they simply became too brazen in their copying. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Triban wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
| Triban wrote: |
| Korea doesn't have creativity. They just copy other companies. Apple is JUST realizing this? |
The same could be said about the Americans in the 1840s, Japan in the 1860s and Germany in the 1870s. All states have and still do copy to catch up. |
America probably has more inventions/patents than anyone in the world. This from a country that is barely centuries old. |
True and irrelevant. |
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