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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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UPDATE: One of my co-teachers just told me after class that the teacher that got hit persisted to the district government that the student be thrown out, so I guess the girl will leave! The rumor spread around school so quickly, and she was embarrassed that everyone was talking about her, calling her "crazy" and stuff like that.
Also, what happened was the teacher told the girl to go to the bathroom and take off her heavy makeup, and she refused. She was swearing at the teacher and he tried to get her to leave the classroom and send her to the disciplinary office. She kicked him and punched him in the face, breaking his glasses.
Apparently this girl has hit other teachers before, so many teachers stood behind the victim this time and recanted their stories of abuse.
My co-teacher said the victim in this case is a hero to all the teachers because he got the girl to leave! |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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my school is so boring  |
Believe me, this is the most exciting thing that has happened in a long time! |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| However, it is Korean law that all students must have mandatory education until 9th grade, so technically the school can't kick her out. The girl doesn't want to change schools (I don't know why she would even have an opinion on this), so I guess she will just finish out her year here. |
Yeah, these new laws are hell. Several teachers at my school have already been taken to the police station... granted I'm not sure what actually happened, and of course what I was told doesn't sound that bad-- but apparently now you're not even allowed to say something that might 'hurt their self-esteem'.
I ended up being unable to send a student who was openly mocking me out in the hall... so it was a whole class of him mocking me, and now he has encouraged others-- and they used to be good kids.
My co-teacher's advice: ignore them, stop caring, get through the class however you can. |
You guys make it sound like cp is out in the whole country. In my province it's still alive and teachers like reminding students about it. My school is still the same as before, students mostly are very well behaved. In a year a, or so, Seoul and Gyeonggi will back-peddle on their blanket ban on cp. Maybe they'll have a designated 'corporal punishment' teacher that goes for a 1 month long training session overseas... |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:24 am Post subject: Re: it's not even 10am yet and at my middle school.... |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| ...a 3rd grade female student punched a young, skinny, male math teacher in the face and broke his glasses |
Never really heard of a female student actually threatening a male teacher, let alone punch one. But then again, I'm out in the provincial boonies. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| The girls in Korea are very aggressive if they can get away with it and if they don't like you. Especially towards the boys that are shy isolated and have learning difficulties. Fortunately as a teacher I was pretty well liked by the big headed little cuties. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Glad to hear it worked out for the maths teacher!
CP is alive and well here, thank god. A grade 6 elementary girl was messing about today, wouldn't hand me some cards I asked for, threw one of them across the room, I snatched the rest of her- then my coteacher noticed and sent her to her main teacher. 10 minutes later I finish the class and find her squatting in the corner of the staff room crying
Good. It made my day. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure they put 엉덩이 in a translator and it showed them "hip." But maybe they really meant butt/ass. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| If you knew exactly what the teacher looked like, you would feel terrible ... if I must guess, I think he's somewhere between the ages of 24-26. |
So, 25 then. By the way, I've always wanted to have my hip licked by a toilet. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Were the police called in to deal with the girl? |
Ugh. It's a mess. To answer your question, no. This is the gossip from fellow co-workers (in broken English). I don't know much about the laws that I will mention, so I apologize if the facts are incorrect.
Apparently, the disciplinary dept. called the parents, and the parents want her expelled from the school. However, it is Korean law that all students must have mandatory education until 9th grade, so technically the school can't kick her out. The girl doesn't want to change schools (I don't know why she would even have an opinion on this), so I guess she will just finish out her year here.
Many teachers are upset because students are getting more freedom; I understood this to mean (through a conversation with a co-teacher) that students are allowed to make more choices, but they are refusing to take responsibility for the choices they are making. I think the recent change in the corporal punishment laws has something to do with this. Teachers expressed that before the law changed, students had more respect for teachers and their behavior was better.
This is the thing that gets me: Apparently my school has a reputation of being the "worst school" (in terms of behavior) in the district. Other foreign and Korean teachers from other schools have told me this as well. While my classes are pretty well-behaved, there are of course a few bad students here and there. But when it comes time to disciplining the students, a lot of the homeroom teachers ask me to "be kind" because the students have "mental problems" and "are poor." Basically, just let them destroy the classroom and don't punish them when they break the rules.
Oh, and if they are handicapped in any way, just ignore them; they can't learn and won't do anything with their life anyways, say the teachers. I find this last statement completely untrue because of experience. One of my 3rd graders is a slow learner (PC = "mentally challenged"), but he is THE student in the whole school who, literally every day, is trying to better his English. He is a good kid and tries hard in class, even though the other kids make fun of him.
Okay, I understand the kids are poor and have behavior problems and possibly depressing home environments. However, students in this situation need more help and support from teachers! A way out of poverty is education and bettering one's self.
Yes, perhaps some of the students will never need to use English for their future jobs, but English class is one out of many subjects taught at this school. It would be naive to think I will cause this world-altering experience for every student, but already I have seen some positive behavior changes from "bad" students. Most of the time, all they need is praise for a job well done, support, and personal attention. Hell, even the "me, English-ee, no" students can muster up the courage to talk more, in and out of class.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. It's been a long time since I have had something to complain about, so I guess that's a good thing! One more 3rd grade class presentation to go...I'll try to post some more good posters later! |
I think you have a good set of values regarding giving your students the chances that they deserve by virtue of their being human beings. When I was teaching in public middle school, there was a very sweet mentally retarded lad who would sneak into my English class. He couldn't communicate at the same level that other students could, but he was eager to participate, and I would give him pages of English dialogs to copy down into his notebook. He copied them and his English script was excellent. He appreciated the attention that I gave him and always seemed to feel good about the fact that I always called him by his name.
When I would tell one of my Korean co-teachers that he had been in my class (she wasn't actually coming to the class herself), she would say it doesn't really matter what he's doing because he's retarded. Also, he wasn't technically allowed to come to my class so they stopped that eventually. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| MollyBloom wrote: |
| conrad2 wrote: |
| Were the police called in to deal with the girl? |
Ugh. It's a mess. To answer your question, no. This is the gossip from fellow co-workers (in broken English). I don't know much about the laws that I will mention, so I apologize if the facts are incorrect.
Apparently, the disciplinary dept. called the parents, and the parents want her expelled from the school. However, it is Korean law that all students must have mandatory education until 9th grade, so technically the school can't kick her out. The girl doesn't want to change schools (I don't know why she would even have an opinion on this), so I guess she will just finish out her year here.
Many teachers are upset because students are getting more freedom; I understood this to mean (through a conversation with a co-teacher) that students are allowed to make more choices, but they are refusing to take responsibility for the choices they are making. I think the recent change in the corporal punishment laws has something to do with this. Teachers expressed that before the law changed, students had more respect for teachers and their behavior was better.
This is the thing that gets me: Apparently my school has a reputation of being the "worst school" (in terms of behavior) in the district. Other foreign and Korean teachers from other schools have told me this as well. While my classes are pretty well-behaved, there are of course a few bad students here and there. But when it comes time to disciplining the students, a lot of the homeroom teachers ask me to "be kind" because the students have "mental problems" and "are poor." Basically, just let them destroy the classroom and don't punish them when they break the rules.
Oh, and if they are handicapped in any way, just ignore them; they can't learn and won't do anything with their life anyways, say the teachers. I find this last statement completely untrue because of experience. One of my 3rd graders is a slow learner (PC = "mentally challenged"), but he is THE student in the whole school who, literally every day, is trying to better his English. He is a good kid and tries hard in class, even though the other kids make fun of him.
Okay, I understand the kids are poor and have behavior problems and possibly depressing home environments. However, students in this situation need more help and support from teachers! A way out of poverty is education and bettering one's self.
Yes, perhaps some of the students will never need to use English for their future jobs, but English class is one out of many subjects taught at this school. It would be naive to think I will cause this world-altering experience for every student, but already I have seen some positive behavior changes from "bad" students. Most of the time, all they need is praise for a job well done, support, and personal attention. Hell, even the "me, English-ee, no" students can muster up the courage to talk more, in and out of class.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. It's been a long time since I have had something to complain about, so I guess that's a good thing! One more 3rd grade class presentation to go...I'll try to post some more good posters later! |
I think you have a good set of values regarding giving your students the chances that they deserve by virtue of their being human beings. When I was teaching in public middle school, there was a very sweet mentally retarded lad who would sneak into my English class. He couldn't communicate at the same level that other students could, but he was eager to participate, and I would give him pages of English dialogs to copy down into his notebook. He copied them and his English script was excellent. He appreciated the attention that I gave him and always seemed to feel good about the fact that I always called him by his name.
When I would tell one of my Korean co-teachers that he had been in my class (she wasn't actually coming to the class herself), she would say it doesn't really matter what he's doing because he's retarded. Also, he wasn't technically allowed to come to my class so they stopped that eventually. |
Yeah...it's a sad thing how disabled students are treated. What makes me feel good is all the teachers in the English dept. at my school (this includes my co-teachers) are really supportive of the disabled kids. I think many other teachers are supportive as well because of comments they have made to me about certain students.
A co-teacher told me the gov't has a pool/lotto for the special students wherein they give them scholarships to university and opportunities for job placement.
That student I was talking about earlier is awesome. As I said, he is literally the student who consistently speaks the most English out of ALL the students in the whole school. He makes a lot of mistakes and his pronunciation isn't very good, but he always tries hard and is always happy. He loves the US, and when he found out I was American he almost shat himself. One day I brought him in some US currency and he was so happy! The next day he came in and recited all the US currency values! He keeps up-to-date on US politics and news, sometimes letting me know what happened (if I haven't checked my daily websites yet). |
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