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eamo



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthews_world wrote:
I can't believe that Eamo didn't mention this to the OP since he had a thread on it a couple years back but I wonder if the OP uses some sort of mosquito repellent that you stick into the outlet with the gel pack. That can cause night sweats.



I have no recollection of this.
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BadBadMan



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be ghosts.

Seriously, though, I've had some of your symptoms for a few years and I really never figured out what they were caused by. I did do some thinking though.

1. The random heart-racing in bed and insomnia; morning fatigue -> heart-racing got better after I started watching TV or some downloaded shows till I fell asleep every night; morning fatigue got way better after I quit teaching, got back to normal sleeping and eating hours -- getting a wife helped :p

2. Sleeping better at someone else's house -> I attributed this to stress from living alone. Not just loneliness -- I think people get a lot more sensitive, intimidated, and stressed out by little things when living alone.

3. Random heart-racing even when not trying to sleep -> this happened pretty often when I drank a bottle of soju and smoked a pack every day; happens like almost never now that I only smoke and don't really drink much

4. Air circulation concerns -> all buildings give off small levels of toxic fumes, that's why moms always let air circulate at least once a day at home. Not circulating air can also exacerbate mold growth. Seoul air is bad but still wayyyyy better than concentrated trash germs, bathroom chemicals, mold spores, dust, etc. If you live in a small apartment with windows only on one side of the wall, it can be hard to really let the air circulate.

5. Electric current from fridge -> yeah, that's electric current. Probably not enough to harm you, though. Happens a lot in cheap fridges.

Also, what storey do you live in? I usually felt better living in the third floor or higher.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, consider buying an air purifier. Always a good idea no matter where you live.
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Jeweltone



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just a shot in the dark, but...you could have acid reflux issues. Seriously, the burning sensation doesn't happen to everyone - in me, it showed itself as tingling, shortness of breath, and numbness. I later found out I had severe acid reflux and was aspirating it in my sleep. Try buying a wedge pillow online. it takes some time to get used to it, but you will start sleeping better.

That said, my apartment actually DID make me sick. There were many reasons for this, including mold, poor construction (ex. pieces of my wall tile going right through my foot while I was in the shower), and living-next-to-the-subway- at-the-end-of-a-freakin'-airforce-runway-next-to-a-dogmeat-farm-in-the-boonies (pant...pant). I have permanent damage to my digestive tract from the mold problem and whatever else was in that crap-hole (long story).

Another possible cause is that Korea has quite a few "hotspots" of, shall we say, paranormal activity of a negative kind. There were many, many atrocities committed during the Korean conflict from both sides of the debate, and some of the spirits/negative energies/demons/??? are not resting easy. I am usually quite skeptical of such things, but I am now convinced that there are places that I have visited in Korea (my apartment building was smack dab in the middle of one of them that even the locals avoided) that "just don't feel right." You may be in one of them. Check with a spiritual advisor on this - have someone prayer-walk around the building; it is done sort of secretively in Korea, but there are people who do this if you ask around enough.
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Castaway



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez, bad situation. I guess it would be pretty hard to get a new place, right?
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whitestboyalive



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I've looked around my place, and haven't found much evidence of mold. The smell hasn't been to bad lately, as I've had the window opens lots. I was thinking of doing a test where I leave my apartment for a week, with all the doors/window closed, all rooms sealed (it's possible to seal off the main bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen/laundry room.) After staying in a motel for a bit, I could go back and smell the apartment, and see if it still smells like chemicals.

But I've also started wondering if there is more involved to this.

A few things:

1) My computer has a very big/bright screen. Sometimes I turn it off at 12 midnight, expecting to get up at 7am. That leaves me with only a 7 hour sleep every night, but the reality is I can never call asleep until like 1:30am after turning off the computer. That leaves me with lots of sleep deprivation. Another poster mentioned this, and I took note. Thanks. I feel best on a 8 or 9 hour sleep.

2) I've beginning to think maybe I drink too much coffee. I usually drink about, on average, 1.5 coffees a day. I know that may not sound like much to some people, but perhaps that is what is causing my heart palpitations. I usually drink my first coffee at 1:00 after lunch, and then 1 out of every 2 days I usually have a second cup around 4:00 or 5:00 ish. I heard that caffeine has a half life of four hours, so that means the caffeine lasts like 8 hours.

3) I don't exercise much anymore. This probably has something to do with it, although I seem to get a bit dizzy when I exercise. I feel lightheaded and dizzy even after 10 - 15 minutes of walking/running on a treadmill. The other day I was walking a bit fast (not very fast) and felt a huge wave of dizziness. I had to stop, as the world turned upwards a bit, then it calmed down. I felt a bit "off" the entire day, until I finally had a weird headache and had to go to bed early after taking a couple of aspirin last night...

A couple of nights ago I woke up with a weird feeling on half of my face, gasping for breath. I would best describe it as almost a 'numb' / squeezing / pins&needles in my face. It was odd. So I wonder if that is a symptom of sleep apnea.

So, for now, what I will do in addition, is to pretty much cut out coffee for a while, try some light exercise, and turn off the computer at 10:00pm.

Dunno if it will help (as most normal people don't have to do the above) but I sure hope so!

As for this all being psychological, yeah OK, I can understand how as a person on the outside, you might think that. Whenever someone is complaining about a few symptoms and the doctor hasn't found anything, that is what you may expect. But we shouldn't have absolute faith in doctors. They are not me, and they don't feel the physical symptoms I'm having. If it were them having the symptoms, they might think differently. The only thing really stressing me out in life are these annoying symptoms.

It's not like "thinking about it" gives you the common cold. It just happens. I dunno what's wrong with me, but I don't believe my mind is any part of this. The only thing I'll admit to is feeling anxiety when falling asleep, but that only happens if I start feeling those weird symptoms first. If I get in bed and fall asleep normally, no problem.

Thanks again for the advice everyone. Trying to get better!
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methdxman



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitestboyalive wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I've looked around my place, and haven't found much evidence of mold. The smell hasn't been to bad lately, as I've had the window opens lots. I was thinking of doing a test where I leave my apartment for a week, with all the doors/window closed, all rooms sealed (it's possible to seal off the main bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen/laundry room.) After staying in a motel for a bit, I could go back and smell the apartment, and see if it still smells like chemicals.

But I've also started wondering if there is more involved to this.

A few things:

1) My computer has a very big/bright screen. Sometimes I turn it off at 12 midnight, expecting to get up at 7am. That leaves me with only a 7 hour sleep every night, but the reality is I can never call asleep until like 1:30am after turning off the computer. That leaves me with lots of sleep deprivation. Another poster mentioned this, and I took note. Thanks. I feel best on a 8 or 9 hour sleep.

2) I've beginning to think maybe I drink too much coffee. I usually drink about, on average, 1.5 coffees a day. I know that may not sound like much to some people, but perhaps that is what is causing my heart palpitations. I usually drink my first coffee at 1:00 after lunch, and then 1 out of every 2 days I usually have a second cup around 4:00 or 5:00 ish. I heard that caffeine has a half life of four hours, so that means the caffeine lasts like 8 hours.

3) I don't exercise much anymore. This probably has something to do with it, although I seem to get a bit dizzy when I exercise. I feel lightheaded and dizzy even after 10 - 15 minutes of walking/running on a treadmill. The other day I was walking a bit fast (not very fast) and felt a huge wave of dizziness. I had to stop, as the world turned upwards a bit, then it calmed down. I felt a bit "off" the entire day, until I finally had a weird headache and had to go to bed early after taking a couple of aspirin last night...

A couple of nights ago I woke up with a weird feeling on half of my face, gasping for breath. I would best describe it as almost a 'numb' / squeezing / pins&needles in my face. It was odd. So I wonder if that is a symptom of sleep apnea.

So, for now, what I will do in addition, is to pretty much cut out coffee for a while, try some light exercise, and turn off the computer at 10:00pm.

Dunno if it will help (as most normal people don't have to do the above) but I sure hope so!

As for this all being psychological, yeah OK, I can understand how as a person on the outside, you might think that. Whenever someone is complaining about a few symptoms and the doctor hasn't found anything, that is what you may expect. But we shouldn't have absolute faith in doctors. They are not me, and they don't feel the physical symptoms I'm having. If it were them having the symptoms, they might think differently. The only thing really stressing me out in life are these annoying symptoms.

It's not like "thinking about it" gives you the common cold. It just happens. I dunno what's wrong with me, but I don't believe my mind is any part of this. The only thing I'll admit to is feeling anxiety when falling asleep, but that only happens if I start feeling those weird symptoms first. If I get in bed and fall asleep normally, no problem.

Thanks again for the advice everyone. Trying to get better!


Dude, you are depressed. Nothing in your apartment is causing this. Work on your life, all of this other stuff will go away. You are showing all the classic signs of depression.

1) You need a girlfriend
2) Go out and make lots of friends, keep busy.
3) Stay away from your apartment as it is becoming sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy of yours.
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kenglish



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sick building syndrome alright. fungus or voc problem. time to pack up and just go. GO!
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whitestboyalive



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

methdxman wrote:


Dude, you are depressed. Nothing in your apartment is causing this. Work on your life, all of this other stuff will go away. You are showing all the classic signs of depression.

1) You need a girlfriend
2) Go out and make lots of friends, keep busy.
3) Stay away from your apartment as it is becoming sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy of yours.


1) Dunno about 'need' per se but I'll take one if a good one comes around...
2) Got tons of friends. Always out and busy.
3) I sleep in my apartment. Dunno what prophesy you're talking about.

I guess this is probably the wrong place to come online and talk about this, as we're all anonymous and faceless here... and plus, you're not me so you have no idea what physical oddness I've been having. It's easy to just say "It's all in your mind" or "You are imaginging this" or "you're just depressed." But I have no idea how depression could possibly lead to someone having a weird beat in their heart, strange numbness feelings in their face... etc. I was just wondering if someone else felt the same things in their apartment, or if the issue could be apartment related. Most of this stuff started when I moved into this particular apartment. I was feeling pretty normal in my other apartments in Korea.

I'm far from depressed, quite happy in life, and the only thing getting me down are these annoying symptoms. If they went away, everything would be peachy.
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methdxman



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitestboyalive wrote:
methdxman wrote:


Dude, you are depressed. Nothing in your apartment is causing this. Work on your life, all of this other stuff will go away. You are showing all the classic signs of depression.

1) You need a girlfriend
2) Go out and make lots of friends, keep busy.
3) Stay away from your apartment as it is becoming sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy of yours.


1) Dunno about 'need' per se but I'll take one if a good one comes around...
2) Got tons of friends. Always out and busy.
3) I sleep in my apartment. Dunno what prophesy you're talking about.

I guess this is probably the wrong place to come online and talk about this, as we're all anonymous and faceless here... and plus, you're not me so you have no idea what physical oddness I've been having. It's easy to just say "It's all in your mind" or "You are imaginging this" or "you're just depressed." But I have no idea how depression could possibly lead to someone having a weird beat in their heart, strange numbness feelings in their face... etc. I was just wondering if someone else felt the same things in their apartment, or if the issue could be apartment related. Most of this stuff started when I moved into this particular apartment. I was feeling pretty normal in my other apartments in Korea.

I'm far from depressed, quite happy in life, and the only thing getting me down are these annoying symptoms. If they went away, everything would be peachy.


I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm trying to help you.

Everything you are describing points to ANXIETY which is often caused by depression and I experienced very similar symptoms like 9 years ago.

The numbness you are feeling in your extremities is probably being caused by your nerves being shot from hyper ventilating while you're sleeping and/or from taking very shallow breaths. Same explanation for your dizzyness. Chest pains are probably from the hyper ventilation as well.

Finally, general anxiety is not being caused by something in your apartment. All that stuff about toxic fumes and electrical currents is all B.S. that people talk about to sell something (books, drugs, etc.) especially in the U.S. I presume that's where you're from because the U.S. is the only place they try to sell people that bullcrap. Your anxiety is being caused by depression. You don't need to be crying to be depressed. People misunderstand what depression is all the time, especially males.

Stop messing around trying to find some cause in your household for your symptoms. If you went to a doctor, they would just laugh at what you're saying. Go see a doctor and get evaluated (psychiatrist would be best bet) and take control of your life. You're suffering for no reason.

And most of all, don't listen to anyone on here talking about mold and toxic fumes, it's all f'ing hypochondriac American B.S. Don't listen to me either, but go see a psychiatrist and get happy and healthy.

Or do what I did and exercise the f out of the anxiety and make some nice positive changes in your life. You're in a bad rut right now and it's ridiculous to start pointing at things in your life such as your APARTMENT. It's just totally ridiculous. The only place this kind of reasoning could fly is in Dave's ESL Cafe.

Come on, man, get some help or at the very least find out what's causing your depression/anxiety and take some positive steps towards remedying all that!
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methdxman



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BadBadMan wrote:
Could be ghosts.

Seriously, though, I've had some of your symptoms for a few years and I really never figured out what they were caused by. I did do some thinking though.

1. The random heart-racing in bed and insomnia; morning fatigue -> heart-racing got better after I started watching TV or some downloaded shows till I fell asleep every night; morning fatigue got way better after I quit teaching, got back to normal sleeping and eating hours -- getting a wife helped :p

2. Sleeping better at someone else's house -> I attributed this to stress from living alone. Not just loneliness -- I think people get a lot more sensitive, intimidated, and stressed out by little things when living alone.

3. Random heart-racing even when not trying to sleep -> this happened pretty often when I drank a bottle of soju and smoked a pack every day; happens like almost never now that I only smoke and don't really drink much

4. Air circulation concerns -> all buildings give off small levels of toxic fumes, that's why moms always let air circulate at least once a day at home. Not circulating air can also exacerbate mold growth. Seoul air is bad but still wayyyyy better than concentrated trash germs, bathroom chemicals, mold spores, dust, etc. If you live in a small apartment with windows only on one side of the wall, it can be hard to really let the air circulate.

5. Electric current from fridge -> yeah, that's electric current. Probably not enough to harm you, though. Happens a lot in cheap fridges.

Also, what storey do you live in? I usually felt better living in the third floor or higher.


You seriously think panic attacks and insomnia were being caused by some unknown element in your environment?
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Triban



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghosts or demons.
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Caffeinated



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitestboyalive wrote:

1) My computer has a very big/bright screen. Sometimes I turn it off at 12 midnight, expecting to get up at 7am. That leaves me with only a 7 hour sleep every night, but the reality is I can never call asleep until like 1:30am after turning off the computer. That leaves me with lots of sleep deprivation. Another poster mentioned this, and I took note. Thanks. I feel best on a 8 or 9 hour sleep.

2) I've beginning to think maybe I drink too much coffee. I usually drink about, on average, 1.5 coffees a day. I know that may not sound like much to some people, but perhaps that is what is causing my heart palpitations. I usually drink my first coffee at 1:00 after lunch, and then 1 out of every 2 days I usually have a second cup around 4:00 or 5:00 ish. I heard that caffeine has a half life of four hours, so that means the caffeine lasts like 8 hours.

3) I don't exercise much anymore. This probably has something to do with it, although I seem to get a bit dizzy when I exercise. I feel lightheaded and dizzy even after 10 - 15 minutes of walking/running on a treadmill. The other day I was walking a bit fast (not very fast) and felt a huge wave of dizziness. I had to stop, as the world turned upwards a bit, then it calmed down. I felt a bit "off" the entire day, until I finally had a weird headache and had to go to bed early after taking a couple of aspirin last night...


Ditto on the mold and getting an air purifier.

There was an article in the past few weeks about avoiding a computer or smartphone a few hours before going to bed to get a good night's rest. The visual stimuli isn't conducive to calming your mind before bed.

Cutting back on coffee and picking up exercise again are both good ideas. I'll add no caffeine or hard exercise after 5pm.

Good luck!
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whitestboyalive



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caffeinated wrote:


Ditto on the mold and getting an air purifier.

There was an article in the past few weeks about avoiding a computer or smartphone a few hours before going to bed to get a good night's rest. The visual stimuli isn't conducive to calming your mind before bed.

Cutting back on coffee and picking up exercise again are both good ideas. I'll add no caffeine or hard exercise after 5pm.

Good luck!


Never thought about buying an air purifier, but now it doesn't seem like a bad idea at all.

As for methdxman, you do speak the truth a bit when you say lots of that stuff is BS. I'm skeptical about all that 'non-medical' BS that comes out of mainly Oregon, Cali, west coast. And who knows, maybe it is just a coincidence that my apartment had a strange chemical smell and that these symptoms started with it. No idea.

As for the strange 'demons' or ghosts, I've never believed in any of that stuff. Although I did have the "Old Hag" syndrome happen to me once (where you wake up to see an old ugly woman pushing down on your chest). Just google the term if you are not familiar with it. I've had several experiences where I feel that pressure on the chest as you are sleeping. Whatever that is, it seems to have taken a different form now... I still get it from time to time, but only the first time did I hallucinate and see the "Old Hag." But that was back in my home country. And I just agree with the scientific explanation of it, not the paranormal one...

I do seem to suffer a bit from anxiety, but each time the anxiety happens only after the physical sensations begin. Once, a doctor said "Oh you have anxiety" and prescribed me pills. This is after I disclosed past drug use. Actually, the only thing they did was make my stomach a bit sore... didn't do a single thing. It was like taking a vitamin pill. Nothing changed, even my mood was exactly the same.

Sometimes I wonder if it was due to drug use in my past. Both legal and not so legal substances. I cannot communicate this to doctors well, especially in Korea (esp. the not so legal activity). Basically, from 1999-2004 I did some things I shouldn't have. On two separate occasions I couldn't move or even feel any part of my body (completely numb)... also, my speech was impaired. I couldn't communicate what my brain was trying to say with my mouth. The first time, the same thing happened to me and also a girl I was with. The second time it was just me. That lasted about 1 hour or so... each time. A friend of mine said he had the exact same thing once, and the doc told him he had a stroke... but an MRI of my brain 8 years later showed no evidence of a stroke.

Anyhow, ever since 2004 been (both legal and not so legal) drug free. My drug of choice is now caffeine, and I drink maximum 5 drinks on the weekends these days... maybe once a month I get up to 6 or 7... And I enjoy a nice glass of wine every few days on the weekday.

To be honest, I've lived a pretty normal life for a while now. Just lack enough exercise possibly, even though I do stuff at the gym, hiking, lots of walking...

I just regret my past lack of care about my health... And glad I quit smoking too!
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gem



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a mold problem. Hopefully it's not. My building is badly infested with mold although I don't seem to have any visible mold in my apartment. Koreans don't seem to take mold their mold problems seriously. Try to get out more and exercise. Try some herbal sleeping pills from iherb.com. They ship to Korea for a very cheap price. I take them 3-4 nights a week and they really help me.
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