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winterfall
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I'd say Korean school boards need to consider designating a trained cp teacher to administer cp. Done in a public place to ensure it doesn't cross the line.
cp is done virtually everyday in Korea in many schools, it's the ones that get filmed and go way overboard that you hear on the news. |
There is a designated teacher. 90% of the time, its the PE teacher, the head disciplinarian. And the cp is supposed to be done publicly.
Or are you talking about discipline for everyday little things?
Hitting is supposed to be a last resort, after you run the gauntlet of stress exercises. But now that the rules changed. I have no idea what the average school does now. I think they just let the teenage kids run amoke |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
I'd say Korean school boards need to consider designating a trained cp teacher to administer cp. Done in a public place to ensure it doesn't cross the line.
cp is done virtually everyday in Korea in many schools, it's the ones that get filmed and go way overboard that you hear on the news. |
There is a designated teacher. 90% of the time, its the PE teacher, the head disciplinarian. And the cp is supposed to be done publicly.
Or are you talking about discipline for everyday little things?
Hitting is supposed to be a last resort, after you run the gauntlet of stress exercises. But now that the rules changed. I have no idea what the average school does now. I think they just let the teenage kids run amoke |
But is the PE teacher actually trained?
Anyways, I'm out in the country, and cp is still allowed in my province. |
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DavidVance
Joined: 21 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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People should keep things in perspective:
The kick when the student fell was more a gesture than a kick, as was most of the teacher's approach and movement toward the student - he hardly touched him - and what had the student done? We don't know...
It's not at all very apparent just how painful the strikes were in any of the videos, because the object used is not very visible - the kendo practice sword in one video might not have been that painful as they are made out of split bamboo - split to reduce impact and increase noise - though I've not been hit by one myself.
It always both amuses and dismays me that people who have no qualms about participating in the torture (cage farming) and killing of defenseless animals to provide the food they choose (not need...) are so outraged at such comparatively mild and much less logically reprehensible violence.
The pot calling the teacup black?... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| What about me, then, Vance? I'm vegetarian so you can't accuse me of being party to the abuse of animals. And I find that so-called teacher's actions reprehensible. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
I'd say Korean school boards need to consider designating a trained cp teacher to administer cp. Done in a public place to ensure it doesn't cross the line.
cp is done virtually everyday in Korea in many schools, it's the ones that get filmed and go way overboard that you hear on the news. |
There is a designated teacher. 90% of the time, its the PE teacher, the head disciplinarian. And the cp is supposed to be done publicly.
Or are you talking about discipline for everyday little things?
Hitting is supposed to be a last resort, after you run the gauntlet of stress exercises. But now that the rules changed. I have no idea what the average school does now. I think they just let the teenage kids run amoke |
That's a nice theory. What shows it's not the practice in most places is the simple fact that all of the Korean teachers are carrying a whipping stick with them during all classes. Corporal punishment is the "go to" method for them. |
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bojangles
Joined: 19 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: first time |
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| The first time I saw cp in Korea- my VP vigorously smacked a boy across the back of his head in one of my classes; on several other occassions my main co-teacher thumped HS students on the tops of their heads with his knuckle; another time I saw a teacher get out of his car as he was leaving school to thump a couple of girls on the head; every single time I've never seen or heard any overt infraction by the students, but it does seem to be commonly practiced and accepted. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| One of my co-teachers hits our students pretty hard with a yard ruler in class. He's in the disciplinary dept. also. The thing is, he's an awesome guy and we have a really great relationship. He also has three young children which he loves dearly. Considering all these great things about him, I was really surprised when I saw him discipline harshly for the first time. He usually punishes them according to the severity of their offense, but a few times I have felt really uncomfortable in class because of what he did to the students. |
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