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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
I have no experience in Korea and have no clue what I am talking about.

Do it your way.

IF you manage to get a new visa confirmation number while you are still under contract and on an E2 you will be the 1st (EVER). I will celebrate and jump for joy for you if that happens to be the case.

Good luck. You're going to need it.

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I have gotten a new visa confirmation number while still under contract and on an E2 and without a release letter. My old boss was quite surprised and angry when he found out and tried to get Immi to cancel it, but he failed. I got my new visa with one trip to Japan.

But, it was a while back and it could have been a fluke.
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coolidge1979



Joined: 19 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, man. I appreciate the feedback.
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coolidge1979



Joined: 19 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Condescending 16 year old? Really? I'm not the one being snarky when asked to be more specific. Or the one coming to my younger sister's defense. If dude's "the resident expert", he should be able to answer some of those questions. There's a difference between experts and know-it-all internet keyboard warriors. Experts will give you all the information and when asked a question out of their realm of knowledge will say "I don't know." There's no shame in that.

If I wanted to do a search and spend my time perusing other people's posts, I would have. However, I wanted to start my own to ask about my exact situation, hoping somebody would have gone through something similar. Well, at least I got one response like that.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolidge1979 wrote:
Condescending 16 year old? Really?

If I wanted to do a search and spend my time perusing other people's posts, I would have. However, I wanted to start my own to ask about my exact situation.


Edited for clarity -- THAT is why you come across as a condescending 16 year old.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thegadfly wrote:
coolidge1979 wrote:
Condescending 16 year old? Really?

If I wanted to do a search and spend my time perusing other people's posts, I would have. However, I wanted to start my own to ask about my exact situation.


Edited for clarity -- THAT is why you come across as a condescending 16 year old.


lol. well said
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coolidge1979



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha. You guys live in glass houses. Anyway, somebody already disproved the expert, so peace!
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolidge1979 wrote:
Haha. You guys live in glass houses. Anyway, somebody already disproved the expert, so peace!


lol

Yes, good luck achieving your own fluke, as the expert disprover referred to it.
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coolidge1979



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what the deal is. Guy with an exprience and Korean Immigration say one thing, house of cards experts with no personal experiences to share say another. But honestly who knows.

"lol"
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my own personal experiences say the opposite. I've had to leave Korea every single time before being able to get the new visa confirmation number.

Perhaps the quite new rules, which grant some leeway on your departure date, have relaxed this, and you will be fine.

And just for kicks, lulz
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coolidge1979



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks. There is a lot of contradicting information about immigration out there. I just want to attach some reality to it, so I can figure out what's possible.
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to help. I would like to point out two things, however.

1 - Korean immigration is plain old conflicting to begin with.

2 - ttompatz may not be perfectly up to date (see #1) but he does know his stuff, and he's hardly a house of cards expert. He's given many people straightforward advice and knows heaps more than I, or most people who post here, do.

That said, if you do manage to accomplish your goal, please post about it here and let us know. A good chunk of us simply want to inform people about their options. Smile
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marsavalanche



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz knows heaps more than all of us. I know from personal experience he has helped me and been 100% correct when things ended up happening from experience.

But by all means if you're able to get a new visa without and LOR AND leaving the country, by all means post about it here.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolidge1979 wrote:
Cool, thanks. There is a lot of contradicting information about immigration out there. I just want to attach some reality to it, so I can figure out what's possible.



Immigration is not consistent and they were probably just being helpful. This happened quite a while back, and the rules seem to change every 6 months these days, so nothing is ever the same.

I already had found a new job and had moved into my new housing while still working at the old school - and without telling my old boss, because I didn't trust him for a second. My new boss went with me to Immi and we complained about having to leave Korea at all to change jobs. Why go out of Korea to another government office, spend a lot of time, money and waste energy and resources on travel when we could just do the paperwork in Korea? So, they apparently just decided to allow only one trip. Immi processed the Visa Issuance number and the new boss promised to negotiate with the old boss for a release letter that never came - the old boss hit the ceiling when he found out I was leaving, fired me, then demanded that I stay, offered to sell a release letter and then refused all together - and he was talking to my new boss. But, we already had the VIN when my new boss went in to see the old boss. I did one trip to Japan. Fluke.

Tompatz is the expert, he knows the rules. But strange things happen at Immigration in K-land that cause rules to be misunderstood, misapplied, bent, broken, changed and changed back on a regular basis. No one could be aware of all the exceptions, good luck and bad luck that people have with immigration.

OP - You should try to get a release letter, or some kind of letter that will make a visa transfer possible, and do a transfer with no visa run at all.

You should write up some kind of "letter of understanding" that you will be leaving on a certain date and that you are renewing for a year as requested but that the school aknowledges being aware that you intend to leave on that date. This letter should be signed by you and an authorized represnetative of the school at the same time as your renewal contract. I wouldn't renew without it. You should have this letter in any case to avoid difficulties that could very possibly arise down the road when you do leave. The school may "forget" your agreement or misinterpret what you had agreed to.

You'll likely need all new documents when you change jobs. Maybe you'll get lucky and be able to do one trip. Maybe you'll need two trips. Maybe you can use your "letter of understanding" as a release letter when the time comes and do a visa transfer.
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coolidge1979



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, if tompatz is right, he's right. I'm trying to put together a battle plan. If I have to leave two times, that sucks, but I'm going to do it. Apparently, we all agree things are muddy when it comes to immigration. So, there's nothing wrong with asking an infinite amount of questions as long as they're coming from an honest place. And they are.

Ultimately, I think, my answer is going to come from the future uni job. I assume they'll tell me they can't throw me that confirmation number until I leave and come back or they're going to give it me and tell me one trip is all I need. No doubt, they'll probably be contacting immigration themselves to figure it out. It sucks because I'm supposed to work this job until the end of Feb. and start the next one on March 1. Time. Time. Time.

I don't want to sign this new contract. I'd prefer to find some other way to stay in the country and work. I have to be in Korea to go on interviews and to make money. I know I can leave, come back, get a tourist visa, work privates, and sleep on people's couches, but for five months? Seems too long and risky.

As for the Letter of Understanding. That is a really good idea and I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't think my old reptile of a principal is going to go for it. I'm still baffled by his LOR refusal. I believe he would, at the very least, shoot that down. Worst case scenario, he would be so annoyed he'd just say eff it and not want me to work there beyond this current contract. I tell you what, I don't think they're going to give me a letter of recommendation either, just because the title has the word "letter" in it. Haha. Seriously. And I get along famously with everyone at the school. We play volleyball and drink, sometimes at the same time. I never use my sick days or anything. The problem is probably because this school is in the middle of nowhere and have had only two waygook teachers before, both of whom left after one contract.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol try asking for a Letter of Ineptitude or Impotence or something and see what they do.

And you're right, a lot depends on the upcoming job. Once you're on board and know they're willing to bat for you, see what strings they can pull. Uni jobs tend to interview way early so you should have heaps of time to discuss this issue with them and work out a battle plan.
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