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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Spain 45% unemployment for those under 25, Greece is finished economically for at least 70 years. Ireland is under water and Germany is probably headed into a severe recession;
But Fox news is a joke and mostly an entertainment/ reality show type of programming. I mean it is owned by an Australian and a Saudi businessman , who have no interest in telling the truth to the American people. So quoting someone from Fox news on the economy or Politics is like quoting DOG THE BOUNTY Hunter on quantum physics.
But the three year degree people on here and those from countries that envy the hell out of Stanford, Harvard, Yale, M.I.T. are almost as ignorant.
Europe is over!! DOne! Finished! Becoming more and more anti-immigrant, awaiting the rise of a Leader to cleanse it of the non European masses. Europeans pay like hell for healthcare and it is not that great, lacks specialist and advanced treatments. Europes debt is as great or greater than the U.S.'s |
Did I mention Ireland, Greece or Spain? I'm not bringing in Colombia and Haiti because they also happen to be in the Americas along with the US. In addition, I really wonder why you think Germany is headed for a recession....not what I see here.
You can't talk about Europe as if it is 1 country, it is not the United States of Europe; Europe is a continent on which you will find 50 countries (or more depending on your definition of country) in which more than 700 million people from every country in the world live. Saying Europe is finished is ridiculous. What if I said North America is finished, or Asia is finished.....does that sound ridiculous? Yes, yes it does. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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You can't talk about Europe as if it is 1 country, it is not the United States of Europe; Europe is a continent on which you will find 50 countries (or more depending on your definition of country) in which more than 700 million people from every country in the world live. |
Lovely double standard, there. You can't talk about Europe as one country, since it has 50 countries, but implied is that you can talk about the United States (or China for that matter) as one country since it has 50 states. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| English Matt wrote: |
You can't talk about Europe as if it is 1 country, it is not the United States of Europe; Europe is a continent on which you will find 50 countries (or more depending on your definition of country) in which more than 700 million people from every country in the world live. |
Lovely double standard, there. You can't talk about Europe as one country, since it has 50 countries, but implied is that you can talk about the United States (or China for that matter) as one country since it has 50 states. |
Last time I looked, the US was 1 country, under 1 government, with 1 economy. It might have 50 states, but then the UK has 4 constituent nations, Germany has 16 states, almost every country in Europe has it's own regions with it's own local legislatures......what's your point?
My point was that you can't talk about Europe as if it was 1 country, anymore than I can talk about Mexico, the US and Canada being 1 country because they happen to share a geographical landmass, or because they all belong to NAFTA.
In addition, as I am sure it will come up, you may think that the EU has a federalist structure and therefore for the purposes of discourse it is comparable to the US and it's states (which I would dispute anyhow), but Europe is more than the EU; there are at least 50 countries in the EU and only 27 are currently members of the EU. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| English Matt wrote: |
You can't talk about Europe as if it is 1 country, it is not the United States of Europe; Europe is a continent on which you will find 50 countries (or more depending on your definition of country) in which more than 700 million people from every country in the world live. |
Lovely double standard, there. You can't talk about Europe as one country, since it has 50 countries, but implied is that you can talk about the United States (or China for that matter) as one country since it has 50 states. |
Last time I looked, the US was 1 country, under 1 government, with 1 economy. It might have 50 states, but then the UK has 4 constituent nations, Germany has 16 states, almost every country in Europe has it's own regions with it's own local legislatures......what's your point?
My point was that you can't talk about Europe as if it was 1 country, anymore than I can talk about Mexico, the US and Canada being 1 country because they happen to share a geographical landmass, or because they all belong to NAFTA.
In addition, as I am sure it will come up, you may think that the EU has a federalist structure and therefore for the purposes of discourse it is comparable to the US and it's states (which I would dispute anyhow), but Europe is more than the EU; there are at least 50 countries in the EU and only 27 are currently members of the EU. |
American Federalism has been diluted over time: the American Left has made it its mission to put as much power in Federal hands as possible for the sake of "Great Works" or somesuch nonsense. I will admit that America is more governmentally unified than Europe is. As far as Europe goes, this difference can be explained possibly by time: give Europe 90 years and see how far they'll have come to Federalist dilution.
But America and Europe are similar in breadth and scope. The Euro is roughly equivalent to the Dollar in the sense that it is a unified and international currency. And the European Court of Justice plays almost exactly the same role re: human rights as the United States Supreme Court does.
My point is the continuing double standard on the British Left when it comes to viewing America versus Europe. Don't get me wrong, I do not wish to associate with Rollo's comments. Europe is a big and complex place. But America is just about as big. Your reply is familiar and telling. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| English Matt wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| English Matt wrote: |
You can't talk about Europe as if it is 1 country, it is not the United States of Europe; Europe is a continent on which you will find 50 countries (or more depending on your definition of country) in which more than 700 million people from every country in the world live. |
Lovely double standard, there. You can't talk about Europe as one country, since it has 50 countries, but implied is that you can talk about the United States (or China for that matter) as one country since it has 50 states. |
Last time I looked, the US was 1 country, under 1 government, with 1 economy. It might have 50 states, but then the UK has 4 constituent nations, Germany has 16 states, almost every country in Europe has it's own regions with it's own local legislatures......what's your point?
My point was that you can't talk about Europe as if it was 1 country, anymore than I can talk about Mexico, the US and Canada being 1 country because they happen to share a geographical landmass, or because they all belong to NAFTA.
In addition, as I am sure it will come up, you may think that the EU has a federalist structure and therefore for the purposes of discourse it is comparable to the US and it's states (which I would dispute anyhow), but Europe is more than the EU; there are at least 50 countries in the EU and only 27 are currently members of the EU. |
American Federalism has been diluted over time: the American Left has made it its mission to put as much power in Federal hands as possible for the sake of "Great Works" or somesuch nonsense. I will admit that America is more governmentally unified than Europe is. As far as Europe goes, this difference can be explained possibly by time: give Europe 90 years and see how far they'll have come to Federalist dilution.
But America and Europe are similar in breadth and scope. The Euro is roughly equivalent to the Dollar in the sense that it is a unified and international currency. And the European Court of Justice plays almost exactly the same role re: human rights as the United States Supreme Court does.
My point is the continuing double standard on the British Left when it comes to viewing America versus Europe. Don't get me wrong, I do not wish to associate with Rollo's comments. Europe is a big and complex place. But America is just about as big. Your reply is familiar and telling. |
There's no double standard here at all. The USA stands for the United States of America....it is the name of the sovereign nation state. North America is the name of the continent on which this country is located, along with 2 other sovereign states: Mexico and Canada.
Europe is the name of another continent, there is no sovereign nation state on this continent called the United States of Europe. On this continent there are many more than 3 countries. Some of them are members of the EU, many are not.
The Euro is used by even fewer countries than are members of the EU, just 17.
There is nothing telling about my comment. I take issue with people talking about Europe as if the EU is Europe, as if the EU were a country. I take issue with ignorance and silly comments....that is all. I never made any broad sweeping statements about the US and I understand that differences exist between the educational systems, economies, culture and societies of it's constituent states. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Europeans pay like hell for healthcare and it is not that great, lacks specialist and advanced treatments. |
I can't believe I'm seeing an American ranting about how Europeans overpay for health care. America is the undisputed king of overpaying for bad health care results. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Telling it the way it is..... |
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By Bill O'Reilly
The essential question is: What kind of country do Americans want: a vibrant, capitalistic state or a Western European-style nanny state? The call will be made next year. |
Maybe Bill O'Reilly should compare economic data with Western European-style nanny states like Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Norway or Finland. 
Ignorant cretin. |
or the supernanny state Sweden, which has a powerful competitive economy. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
| Europeans pay like hell for healthcare and it is not that great, lacks specialist and advanced treatments. |
I can't believe I'm seeing an American ranting about how Europeans overpay for health care. America is the undisputed king of overpaying for bad health care results. |
That is absolutely true. |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: Telling it the way it is..... |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| johnnyenglishteacher2 wrote: |
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By Bill O'Reilly
The essential question is: What kind of country do Americans want: a vibrant, capitalistic state or a Western European-style nanny state? The call will be made next year. |
Maybe Bill O'Reilly should compare economic data with Western European-style nanny states like Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Norway or Finland.
Ignorant cretin. |
or the supernanny state Sweden, which has a powerful competitive economy. |
Indeed, in fact what O'Reilly seems to be ignoring is that there is a Europe of 2 halves - an economically struggling southern half, and a powerful, competitive northern half - with the exceptions of UK and Ireland, which took the neo-liberal approach which we all need for a vibrant, capitalistic state.  |
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