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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| you have a link for Iceland and hydrogen? |
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THE HYDROGEN EXPERIMENT
In Reykjavik, Iceland, scientists, politicians, and business leaders have conspired to put into motion a grand experiment that may end the country's--and the world's--reliance on fossil fuels forever. The island has committed to becoming the world's first hydrogen economy over the next 30 years.
Today, many experts are watching Iceland closely as a "planetary laboratory" for the anticipated global energy transition from an economy based predominantly on finite fossil fuels to one fueled by virtually unlimited renewable resources and hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe. The way this energy transition unfolds over the coming decades will be greatly influenced by choices made today. How will the hydrogen be produced? How will it be transported? How will it be stored and used? Iceland is facing these choices right now, and in plotting its course has reached a fork in the road. It must choose between developing an interim system that produces and delivers methanol, from which hydrogen can be later extracted, or developing a full infrastructure for directly transporting and using hydrogen. Whether the country tests incremental improvements or more ambitious steps will have important economic and environmental implications, not only for Iceland but for other countries hoping to draw conclusions from its experiment. |
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Iceland begins hydrogen refueling test
Shell International Ltd. last month opened a public hydrogen fuel refilling station about five miles from downtown Reykjavik, Iceland's capital. It's the world's only public hydrogen station that emits no pollution.
The hydrogen is produced by electrolysis - electricity passing through fresh water to create gaseous hydrogen. The hydrogen is stored in seven huge cylindrical tanks.
The filling station, in a separate area from the petroleum fuel pumps, cost about $1.2 million to build. Shell, Iceland New Energy Ltd., the European Commission and DaimlerChrysler AG paid for the station.
Iceland New Energy plans to sell its hydrogen, technology and expertise to other island countries, where petroleum costs often account for as much as 90 percent of imports. |
Source:Iceland begins hydrogen refueling test , By: Truett, Richard, Automotive News, 00051551, 5/19/2003, Vol. 77, Issue 6038 |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry Joo, the US may not be doing all that it could be in order to strengthen the Mother Land |
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thanks for the links
That needs to change.
And it is not only Hydrogen but also Hybrid cars and other stuff too.
This is off topic but do you have a reason why I should not root for my own nation against those who hate her with the records that they have? |
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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| This is off topic but do you have a reason why I should not root for my own nation against those who hate her with the records that they have? |
Of course not, don't have a reason, nor did I suggest it. We all know why this is an issue you support, since it has now become clearer that a reliance upon oil is not exactly the best position for the US or any country to be in. The affect that reliance upon oil has upon national security and global conflict is very frightening.
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How Hydrogen Can Save America
The cost of oil dependence has never been so clear. What had long been largely an environmental issue has suddenly become a deadly serious strategic concern. Oil is an indulgence we can no longer afford, not just because it will run out or turn the planet into a sauna, but because it inexorably leads to global conflict. Enough. What we need is a massive, Apollo-scale effort to unlock the potential of hydrogen, a virtually unlimited source of power. The technology is at a tipping point. Terrorism provides political urgency. Consumers are ready for an alternative. From Detroit to Dallas, even the oil establishment is primed for change. We put a man on the moon in a decade; we can achieve energy independence just as fast. Here's how. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Al Gore implied that alternative energy might give the US the same boost as the internet did, I agree with him.
If anyone in the US is looking for a way to change the global chessboard in favor of the US - this is it. It won't be easy or cheap but the pay off is well worth it. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| I especially like this subject because it's something that both Democrats and Republicans can agree on. It's not only environmentally friendly but also strengthens a nation's economy. Even people who work for the oil patch...all the big oil companies will eventually change to big hydrogen companies. Shell Hydrogen, etc. |
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kylehawkins2000
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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How about just scrapping SUV's altogether? Why not have everyone use cars that are fuel efficient AND use clean/alternate fuels? The percentage of people with these big gas-guzzling SUV's and pick-up trucks that actually need them is pretty small. I can see if you live in the outback or are into construction work.....but the large majority of people just want to show off.
Look at all the SUV's in Seoul. It's ridiculous. I bet 99% of those SUV's have never even touched a dirt road! Most of them spend all their time stuck in traffic in JongRo or Kangnam. ....but at least they look nice while everyone walks past them (or drives past them in public transportation).... |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember seeing on 60 Minutes that some people get a tax break in the US for buying SUVs. They're so big they constitute an industrial vehicle or something. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| If I understand it correctly, if you are a business and you buy a $100,000 business vehicle of the SUV sort, you can write the whole thing off in one year. It is essentially a gift from the taxpayers- One of many that big businesses get regularly. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| kylehawkins2000 wrote: |
How about just scrapping SUV's altogether? Why not have everyone use cars that are fuel efficient AND use clean/alternate fuels? The percentage of people with these big gas-guzzling SUV's and pick-up trucks that actually need them is pretty small. I can see if you live in the outback or are into construction work.....but the large majority of people just want to show off.
Look at all the SUV's in Seoul. It's ridiculous. I bet 99% of those SUV's have never even touched a dirt road! Most of them spend all their time stuck in traffic in JongRo or Kangnam. ....but at least they look nice while everyone walks past them (or drives past them in public transportation).... |
Do we really want to get into the business of telling people what they can and can't drive? If demand for SUVs goes down, the companies will quit making them. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 1:45 am Post subject: |
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kylehawkins2000,
I agree.
SUV's are a plague. |
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