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wooden nickels
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
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Korean moms do not need to send their kids to hogwans for peace and quiet. The kids are already gone for hours each day to their public school babysitting service. It is expensive and the moms often have to drive or walk the kids to their hogwans - not all have vans or buses for pickups. In other families both parents work, so there is no need to use a hogwan to get them out of the house.
The fact is that the public schools teach next to nothing at best. Parents want their kids to learn and this requires chosing the best possible after school hogwans for every subject in one location (as some teach) or as many subjects as possible in single subject hogwans.
Most mothers sending their kids to hogwans end up with complicated and hectic lives as a result. They do it because it is essential that their children get an education, and kids must either go to good hogwans or teach themselves at home if they want to learn anything. |
Sounds like a party political broadcast for the Democratic Union of Korean Mothers that send their kids to hagwons |
+10 What's your agenda "ontheway"? Do you want to do away with public education? |
I don't think he wants to do away with public education, my guess.
I think he is simply stating that mothers want their children to get the best education possible, enter a higher recognized university, and get a good job. Much of this isn't possible without sending their children to hagwons to improve their skills.
It takes more effort and time on the mothers to send their children to hagwons than it does to send them out to the street or the local park to play. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| wooden nickels wrote: |
| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| litebear wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
Korean moms do not need to send their kids to hogwans for peace and quiet. The kids are already gone for hours each day to their public school babysitting service. It is expensive and the moms often have to drive or walk the kids to their hogwans - not all have vans or buses for pickups. In other families both parents work, so there is no need to use a hogwan to get them out of the house.
The fact is that the public schools teach next to nothing at best. Parents want their kids to learn and this requires chosing the best possible after school hogwans for every subject in one location (as some teach) or as many subjects as possible in single subject hogwans.
Most mothers sending their kids to hogwans end up with complicated and hectic lives as a result. They do it because it is essential that their children get an education, and kids must either go to good hogwans or teach themselves at home if they want to learn anything. |
Sounds like a party political broadcast for the Democratic Union of Korean Mothers that send their kids to hagwons |
+10 What's your agenda "ontheway"? Do you want to do away with public education? |
I don't think he wants to do away with public education, my guess.
I think he is simply stating that mothers want their children to get the best education possible, enter a higher recognized university, and get a good job. Much of this isn't possible without sending their children to hagwons to improve their skills.
It takes more effort and time on the mothers to send their children to hagwons than it does to send them out to the street or the local park to play. |
Ontheway has been posting for years how we need to do away with public education. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| wooden nickels wrote: |
| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| litebear wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
Korean moms do not need to send their kids to hogwans for peace and quiet. The kids are already gone for hours each day to their public school babysitting service. It is expensive and the moms often have to drive or walk the kids to their hogwans - not all have vans or buses for pickups. In other families both parents work, so there is no need to use a hogwan to get them out of the house.
The fact is that the public schools teach next to nothing at best. Parents want their kids to learn and this requires chosing the best possible after school hogwans for every subject in one location (as some teach) or as many subjects as possible in single subject hogwans.
Most mothers sending their kids to hogwans end up with complicated and hectic lives as a result. They do it because it is essential that their children get an education, and kids must either go to good hogwans or teach themselves at home if they want to learn anything. |
Sounds like a party political broadcast for the Democratic Union of Korean Mothers that send their kids to hagwons |
+10 What's your agenda "ontheway"? Do you want to do away with public education? |
I don't think he wants to do away with public education, my guess.
I think he is simply stating that mothers want their children to get the best education possible, enter a higher recognized university, and get a good job. Much of this isn't possible without sending their children to hagwons to improve their skills.
It takes more effort and time on the mothers to send their children to hagwons than it does to send them out to the street or the local park to play. |
Ontheway has been posting for years how we need to do away with public education. |
OK. I will take your word on it. My mistake on that bit. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| wooden nickels wrote: |
| No_hite_pls wrote: |
+10 What's your agenda "ontheway"? Do you want to do away with public education? |
I don't think he wants to do away with public education, my guess.
I think he is simply stating that mothers want their children to get the best education possible, enter a higher recognized university, and get a good job. Much of this isn't possible without sending their children to hagwons to improve their skills.
It takes more effort and time on the mothers to send their children to hagwons than it does to send them out to the street or the local park to play. |
As a response to this topic, I was pointing out what the perspective of the moms seems to be.
However, the public schools in SK are so bad that I do believe the government should either undertake a complete top to bottom redisign and remake of the schools or just close them and give up.
The quality of education would rise subsantially, there would be schools for everyone, smaller class sizes, better programs, better learning with more time for kids to sleep and play, if the government in SK would just admit they have failed and close the schools. The total time for the system to adjust would be under 6 months.
Kids who study in hogwans are years ahead of those who don't, with the exception of that wonderfully brilliant but tiny set of students that can teach themselves most subjects at home with no teacher at all. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| However, the public schools in SK are so bad that I do believe the government should either undertake a complete top to bottom redisign and remake of the schools or just close them and give up. |
Public schools are gonna die out soon. The current government encourages stronger private enterprise in the education sector so much that it would be impossible to reform the public education. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Haven't we been down the path of no public education throughout most of human history? A massive illiterate underclass and education for only the elite. Doing away with public education is pure madness... |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Haven't we been down the path of no public education throughout most of human history? A massive illiterate underclass and education for only the elite. Doing away with public education is pure madness... |
What we have today is still an illiterate (or barely literate but totally uneducated) underclass and an educated elite.
We live in a rich society that squanders its resources, pretends to teach the masses and leaves us with a massive undeducated underclass that thinks the public schools have made things better when the quality and availability of education is obviously made worse by public schools.
Without the government schools, the public would have more money, access to far better education and better choices. The only losers would be the unneeded bureaucrats in the government and the public schools and the ruling political class. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Madness... |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:36 am Post subject: |
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When you see the quality education that students get from Private schools across the world, including South Korea, one must conclude that private education is indeed a viable alternative to public schooling.
The problem with private schools has always only been the cost. There are many ideas out there to deal with this including school vouchers, tax credits, education scholarships based on need... |
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