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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| I fully support the right of any group of people to throw money at whomever. May I be one of them. |
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masterdirector
Joined: 05 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| being turned down for anything is stupid. affirmative action in the us is racist. any scholarship or job criterion that requires you to be a certain race is racist. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Is a white-only scholarship racist? Of course. But since scholarships that select for damn near every other race exist, is it reasonable? In our current political atmosphere, yes. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Is a white-only scholarship racist? Of course. |
Definition of racism
No, a white-only scholarship is not racist. It does not exhibit hatred or intolerance. Only mere preference. It does not arouse the necessary or even significantly likely implication that the white race is superior and has the right to rule over others.
Mere preference for one race is something substantially less than racism. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| Is a white-only scholarship racist? Of course. |
Definition of racism
No, a white-only scholarship is not racist. It does not exhibit hatred or intolerance. Only mere preference. It does not arouse the necessary or even significantly likely implication that the white race is superior and has the right to rule over others.
Mere preference for one race is something substantially less than racism. |
So it's not racist if I don't let black people into my restaurant because it is my "preference" to have only white people in my business? |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Is a white-only scholarship racist? Of course. |
Definition of racism
No, a white-only scholarship is not racist. It does not exhibit hatred or intolerance. Only mere preference. It does not arouse the necessary or even significantly likely implication that the white race is superior and has the right to rule over others.
Mere preference for one race is something substantially less than racism. |
So it's not racist if I don't let black people into my restaurant because it is my "preference" to have only white people in my business? |
You're abusing the word "preference."
Whether it is racist or not depends on the motivations. Most would agree that if a restaurant owner is willing to deprive himself of potential revenue to exclude members of a certain race, the owner has intolerance towards that race.
Happily, the law cares little about motivations. Racial discrimination is illegal, even for private businesses. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Even your definition agrees that racism is an active and explicit ideology.
But at least I have some authority. I didn't pull "significant preference" simply out of my ass. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Whether it is racist or not depends on the motivations.
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This was the exact sentence that came to my mind when I read radcon's post. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| The scholarships name sounds racist to me. Former Majority Association for Equality is obviously stupid, but something about calling it former majority sounds white supremacist to me. Those kinds of groups are big on saying that the other races are taking over and that they are being marginalized. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| So it's not racist if I don't let black people into my restaurant because it is my "preference" to have only white people in my business? |
It's called freedom of association. It may be racist, but since you're not actively harming anyone, it should be allowed under law. Beyond that it is obviously very distasteful, and I would encourage anyone to boycott any such establishment. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| The scholarships name sounds racist to me. Former Majority Association for Equality is obviously stupid, but something about calling it former majority sounds white supremacist to me. Those kinds of groups are big on saying that the other races are taking over and that they are being marginalized. |
Regardless of how it may "sound" to you, it's none of your business how people want to spend their own money or to whom they give it. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| The scholarships name sounds racist to me. Former Majority Association for Equality is obviously stupid, but something about calling it former majority sounds white supremacist to me. Those kinds of groups are big on saying that the other races are taking over and that they are being marginalized. |
Regardless of how it may "sound" to you, it's none of your business how people want to spend their own money or to whom they give it. |
Of course it isn't. The name of the thread is racist or not, not do these people have the right to do what they're doing. |
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pucciniphile
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Sure enough, reverse discrimination exists.
One time, when I applied for a public school teaching position in the United States, the superintendent told me that he would grab me in a heartbeat if I were Black.
So I came to Korea, where reverse discrimination works in my favor. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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i gotta scholarship from united negro college fund for being a poor negro boy so i don't see anything wrong with giving away scholarship to white boys only.  |
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