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How do you know you are getting a "good" ps school
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mararowan wrote:
Is it possible to talk to previous net or is that only in a hagwon?


insist on it. (you mean current NET since you'll be communicating with him/her as they're in the late stages of their contract and not renewing)

there is the chance the current NET won't want to communicate with you, but that's unlikely, and hearing how/what it's like from the proverbial horse's mouth is your best bet. The PS net won't be under any pressure to speak well of the school/situation, which can always be the case in a hagwon since the guy wants to make sure he's paid till the end... gets all of his due money, etc)

I communicated with the previous NET at my school via email and then Facebook. Now I wouldn't do it any other way. If I can't talk to the current teacher, I'm nervous.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Not to mention a "good" school can turn sour rather quickly if their NET doesnt appear to be making a reasonable effort.


I disagree.
How much the school likes you can vary depending on the principal's whims and demands. Also factor in your handler's whims and demands. As I mentioned, one guy has gotten perks some others can only dream of- because he charms those in charge. His work ethic- that is entirely different.

Not saying you should go in and brown nose, but some schools expect nepotism and some demand professionalism.

One word of advice- be seen, and be active. The more you hide the more your school thinks negatively of you. The more active you are, the more parents/other teachers speak positively of you, it will only help your employment.
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wooden nickels



Joined: 23 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
schwa wrote:
Not to mention a "good" school can turn sour rather quickly if their NET doesnt appear to be making a reasonable effort.


I disagree.
How much the school likes you can vary depending on the principal's whims and demands. Also factor in your handler's whims and demands. As I mentioned, one guy has gotten perks some others can only dream of- because he charms those in charge. His work ethic- that is entirely different.

Not saying you should go in and brown nose, but some schools expect nepotism and some demand professionalism.

One word of advice- be seen, and be active. The more you hide the more your school thinks negatively of you. The more active you are, the more parents/other teachers speak positively of you, it will only help your employment.


this^
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wooden nickels wrote:
ThingsComeAround wrote:
schwa wrote:
Not to mention a "good" school can turn sour rather quickly if their NET doesnt appear to be making a reasonable effort.


I disagree.
How much the school likes you can vary depending on the principal's whims and demands. Also factor in your handler's whims and demands. As I mentioned, one guy has gotten perks some others can only dream of- because he charms those in charge. His work ethic- that is entirely different.

Not saying you should go in and brown nose, but some schools expect nepotism and some demand professionalism.

One word of advice- be seen, and be active. The more you hide the more your school thinks negatively of you. The more active you are, the more parents/other teachers speak positively of you, it will only help your employment.


this^


+1

and being handsome or beautiful also helps. everything can and will be foregiven if you're good looking. Razz
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
schwa wrote:
Not to mention a "good" school can turn sour rather quickly if their NET doesnt appear to be making a reasonable effort.


I disagree.
How much the school likes you can vary depending on the principal's whims and demands. Also factor in your handler's whims and demands. As I mentioned, one guy has gotten perks some others can only dream of- because he charms those in charge. His work ethic- that is entirely different.

Not saying you should go in and brown nose, but some schools expect nepotism and some demand professionalism.

One word of advice- be seen, and be active. The more you hide the more your school thinks negatively of you. The more active you are, the more parents/other teachers speak positively of you, it will only help your employment.

Not sure what you disagree with. Your points are all well taken, no argument here.

The premise of the OP suggests that some public schools are inherently good & some are bad, as if whoever parachutes in is going to have a golden job or one that sucks. Maybe initially.

But as if what you bring to the job isnt going to have some bearing on your experience there.


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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make the classes fun for the students, easy for the coteachers, try to get along well with the higher ups and everything will be fine.

My job seemed perfect when I started because my handler had a crush on me; she drove an hour across the province to give me a box of donuts when I was at orientation, liaised with the principal and got him to pay me 100k an hour to teach (talk) to his niece....she even went so far as to split the money she got paid for extra classes during the summer period with me (several million won). When it became apparent I wasn't interested in her.....things got worse (refusing to talk to me, screaming at me in the teacher's room, etc). As I became more independent and developed relationships with other teachers (especially some of the older guys who liked to go on smoke breaks with me), things became better once again.

As mentioned before, it all comes down to the relationships you build with those around you. The last NET might have had a great time, but (depending upon how you go about things) you might find the exact opposite to be true in the same school.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of those unknown factors that can impact your situation is how much the last foreign teacher (hopefully) raised the bar or (more likely) lowered the bar for foreigners at your school. If you follow someone who was professional and well-liked you can expect to treated better than someone who follows a weirdo, a runner, or someone who may have had an affair with the co-teacher or other teachers at the school.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st PS - middle school. Cool principal. I was a newbie and S's were unmotivated. Traveled to countryside 2 days per week and those two schools were actually awesome experiences. Got a good reference.

2nd P.S. - Super-traditional principal. No latitude. Lot's of bureaucratic mumbo jumbo. One CT could barely speak English and as a result I was blamed for poor performance. Actually, the teacher who replaced me got to befriend a robot buddy for their contract.

3rd P.S. Cool school, however a mix of 1 and 2. My CT won't understand foreigner ways of thinking and makes my experience their miserable. The principal and V.P are great, however I just stick at my desk and plan and don't befriend co-staff due to language barrier. I doubt I'll re-sign.


Actually, I'll be top-level pay in the highest paying province but I really need a break. Might go to Thailand and then Vietnam.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brento1138 wrote:
sojusucks wrote:
The only guarantee you have at a public school is that you are more likely to be paid than in a hogwan. Other than that, just about anything goes. Public schools can screw around with your: move-in money, overtime, flight tickets, re-signing bonus, apartment, and you never know with the actual workplace situation. This goes for GEPIK, EPIK, SMOE, and all public school programs. Sorry.


Really? From what I heard, if a public school maliciously screwed around with you for no reason, there's lots that can be done about it. The only reason I think a teacher would get screwed is because they've done something wrong and got fired.


Or when my ex-CT didn't give a damn about teaching English and my ex-VP completely ignored me as if I was a vermin.

IMO PS is now more often worse than hagweon franchises.
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jeremysums



Joined: 08 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: How do you know you are getting a "good" ps sc Reply with quote

Good job makes you happy. For some its about the wages, for some its about a kick back job.

mararowan wrote:
Everyone says wait until you get a "good" job but how do you know what you are getting until you are there. Is talking to the previous teacher the only way? Thanks
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever your choice, please don't be swayed by the notion that you won't get paid in a public school. I have dealt with dozens of PS teachers in EPIK, GEPIK and SMOE and have never encountered anyone who lost money that was owed to them. On the flip side, every single person that has ever worked for a hogwan that I know here (including two different ones for myself) has been swindled out of at least some level of cash whether it be blatant or creative accounting to deny you OT or vacation pay.

I also want to add that I find it hilarious that people still complain about desk warming at PS, especially in comparison to a hogwan. Fine, don't get paid to sit at a desk. Instead teach 9 classes a day with no breaks and only 2 weeks vacation per year.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

English Matt wrote:
As mentioned before, it all comes down to the relationships you build with those around you. The last NET might have had a great time, but (depending upon how you go about things) you might find the exact opposite to be true in the same school.

^ This

It's all about 'connecting' with the influential teachers. Usually easier if you're a male who drinks and the other teachers like you. Smoking also helps (depends on you're age). Harder to do if you're female because it hinges on if at least one of the key figures is female. And 'good' women aren't supposed to drink hard or smoke.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojusucks wrote:
One of those unknown factors that can impact your situation is how much the last foreign teacher (hopefully) raised the bar or (more likely) lowered the bar for foreigners at your school. If you follow someone who was professional and well-liked you can expect to treated better than someone who follows a weirdo, a runner, or someone who may have had an affair with the co-teacher or other teachers at the school.


I've followed people that were fired. One that was crazy. Even if you are a decent human (can't teach), they are happy.
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plchron



Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

most NETs should or do leave a note. The guy I took over for hooked it up with cleaning the apartment and a ton of advice and some of his buddies numbers, so i had people to hang out with from the get go. You won't even know what school you are getting until you land, unless you go with a recruiter that works directly with the public schools. So you won't have a chance to talk with the former employee until after you start your job in most cases.
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bbud656



Joined: 15 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My public school tried not to pay me my airfare and severance. 2 complaints to the POE coordinator didnt help much. Finally I had to threaten legal action and they paid, about 5 weeks late. They also didnt pay me overtime on a few instances or organized camps so I didnt make overtime when I should have. Lots of nepotism and incompetence. And good luck having any leverage when you have a problem with someone when everyone is related. You think foreigner vs Korean problems are bias, wait till you add family into the mix. Public schools here are a mafia. Glad I never have to go back to that system.
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