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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| What does the OP care if it wouldn't be a big deal to you? |
They don't need to. They can go camping and complain there isn't a PC bang within walking distance. They can go to a concert and complain it's too noisy. They can visit the zoo and complain it smells like animal poo.
Sometimes when we enter a situation, we need to accept certain parameters. The OP entered one that I didn't, and now they want to get out because they can't handle those parameters.
I am not saying they are wrong, but neither am I or anyone else for highlighting those parameters.
It's ironic that they don't want to make use of a subway system which links parts of the city together. Usually people that feel the same way actually live outside of a major city which give them the village or small city experience and everything is within 10-15 minutes walking distance. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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lol at koreatimes
Atmaweapon has completed a full year-long contract at a hakwon and agreed to sign on for an additional six months at the hakwon...pretty sure the reason being the parameters were acceptable. School changes conditions, OP no longer appreciates them, wants to provide notice and end the contract early.
The contract stipulation the company is trying to pull is BS as well, "legitimate" or not.
I'm willing to bet someone could come on here and say they haven't been paid at all for the entire contract and just want to go home when it ends and a poster here would spin it so the person would be a jerk for leaving the job in a lurch.
Atmaweapon: Just give notice and cash out, no need for 4 unnecessary months of suck. |
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vincentmiser
Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Location: Everywhere
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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DON'T DO ENGLISH VILLAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have just completed a two week summer vacation program at EV in Ansan (on Oido Island) and while MY time here was a breeze, the permanent teachers have it rough. Some of them live on campus and the ones who don't have to take a 40 minute shuttle bus to the mainland every morning and evening. This doesn't give much opportunity to see the country or even the local neighborhood. PLUS, almost all of the foreign teachers are asked to work overtime with short notice. This extends their working day to 12 and sometimes 13 hours. Another thing: They often work of Sundays too. 6 days a week....Not a life
And their pay is measly as it is. Overtime is only 1 and-a-half times.
AVOID AVOID AVOID |
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marsavalanche
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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ive worked a year at an english village.
money and housing weren't great. but it was easy as hell. OT was the standard other hagwons offer. i had on average 4 40 minute classes a day. 50% of the time i was there for only 5 hours a day. don't generalize. i loved my english village, am still friends with the administration and faculty there, and couldn't have left on a better note. everyone i know there agrees its a perfect place to start your life in korea. i recommend talking with teachers there and teachers that have left and aren't on their work hours. i'd take my english village over a 9-5 hagwon any day of the week and twice on sundays. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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And their pay is measly as it is. Overtime is only 1 and-a-half times.
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While the other issues you listed could be seen as legitimate reasons to avoid the place...the OT issue is not.
Most places in Canada/America pay 1.5 times for OT. That's standard.
Many if not most hakwons in Korean do not. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| How is the English Village a "department" of your hagwon? |
The EV is owned by my hagwon (OLA English, which is owned by Avalon) and is considered to be another branch AFAIK. |
Aren't the English Villages owned by the province/metropolitan cities? |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| What does the OP care if it wouldn't be a big deal to you? |
They don't need to. They can go camping and complain there isn't a PC bang within walking distance. They can go to a concert and complain it's too noisy. They can visit the zoo and complain it smells like animal poo.
Sometimes when we enter a situation, we need to accept certain parameters. The OP entered one that I didn't, and now they want to get out because they can't handle those parameters.
I am not saying they are wrong, but neither am I or anyone else for highlighting those parameters.
It's ironic that they don't want to make use of a subway system which links parts of the city together. Usually people that feel the same way actually live outside of a major city which give them the village or small city experience and everything is within 10-15 minutes walking distance. |
Not relevant. How was the OP to know that the other schools owned by the Hagwon would be, from your calculations, be over a 2hour commute (each way) every day.
He worked there for over a year. Signed an extension for 6 months. 2 months into that 6 months was informed that he would need to move to location further away if he wanted to continue his employment so he decided to end his employment. He didn't pull a runner. How on earth is that comparable to someone complaining about the smell of dung at a zoo?
I currently work in the Netherlands, our office recently moved from Rotterdam to Amsterdam. I'd say around 30% of the staff didn't move and around 10% more will leave after a few months transition. The commute time is almost identical to the one you descirbed above and the cost is covered by the company.
That 40% aren't whingers or serial complainers or "unwilling to make use of the transport system". They just decided that they didn't want to work in a city they didn't live in as it would probably hamper their standard of life. Nothing wrong with their desicion and nothing wrong with the OPs. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| What does the OP care if it wouldn't be a big deal to you? |
They don't need to. They can go camping and complain there isn't a PC bang within walking distance. They can go to a concert and complain it's too noisy. They can visit the zoo and complain it smells like animal poo.
Sometimes when we enter a situation, we need to accept certain parameters. The OP entered one that I didn't, and now they want to get out because they can't handle those parameters.
I am not saying they are wrong, but neither am I or anyone else for highlighting those parameters.
It's ironic that they don't want to make use of a subway system which links parts of the city together. Usually people that feel the same way actually live outside of a major city which give them the village or small city experience and everything is within 10-15 minutes walking distance. |
If the OP was on his first contract with the school I'd agree, but that kind of sounds like an extension under false pretenses. Regardless, quitting a job the legal, correct way is nothing to give someone crap about. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Not relevant. How was the OP to know that the other schools owned by the Hagwon would be, from your calculations, be over a 2hour commute (each way) every day. |
Read my post with time estimates again. I estimated less than an hour based on Seoul station (38 minutes and 47 minutes). This is not for commuting to work, this is for going to places like Itaewon on weekends to hang out with friends or do whatever they want to do during their time off. They would in theory live in Anyang and not have to take the subway.
The other estimates which show 2-4 hours are the ranges, not regular daily commute estimates. I was trying to show the scope of the city. The city of Seoul and the areas around it accessible by subway (or bus and trains) extend well beyond what anyone would normally travel in a day.
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| How on earth is that comparable to someone complaining about the smell of dung at a zoo? |
The zoo is Seoul, the cages are the schools, and the dung is the transportation. Why go to the zoo (Seoul) if you don't like the dung (transportation)?
Do you think the city planned it so all places you can visit should be in Guui (where the OP is now)? No!!, it's a big city, so they planned it accordingly and built a subway system to accommodate people who would need to go from point A to point B. If you don't like it, then why be in Seoul? Wouldn't it make more sense to move to a smaller city where things and places are closer together? Then you wouldn't have to deal with the dung (transportation).
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| they didn't want to work in a city they didn't live in |
Yea, that wasn't what I was suggesting though. I would work in the city, in this case Anyang, and then use the subway (as calculated) and within an hour be hanging out with my friends on weekends. I don't see what the big deal is. I even did this further out in Pyeongtaek. If you get on a fast train, it gets you there a lot quicker.
I am doing that now in Beijing. I don't live in the center because it is too crowded. I live about 1.5 hours by bus in an outer district. When the weather gets cooler, I'll be taking weekend trips into Beijing. Being 2-4 hours in range means I am still 30 minutes within that range. It's possible I could get to my destination before someone who has access to the subway and lives near one of the end subway stations.
As for cutting down on time, I just wake up earlier and sleep on the bus. What difference does it make if I sleep 1.5 hours in bed or on the bus? Someone else in the center would just sleep longer and probably lose time because they would be lazier. I can still get to the destination on time and meet people from 6:30am.
I am quite happy not having to deal with the crowds, sweaty beijingers, and noise. Anyang would be like half that distance.
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| but that kind of sounds like an extension under false pretenses. Regardless, quitting a job the legal, correct way is nothing to give someone crap about. |
I am not saying they shouldn't quit. I am saying they shouldn't use transportation as a reason for quitting. They could live in Anyang, as I have mentioned in this post and others in this thread. If they were lied to about the offer and they simply don't like that kind of job, then I support them in ending it. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Why all the talk of transportation? It's a side issue and everyone knows it.
I bet if it were a University job, he would be more than happy to do the same commute.
The point is, and has been mentioned several times in this thread, the school pulled the old bait and switch on him. They told him he could stay at his same job for another 6 months, had him sign a contract and then
suddenly they have to ship him off to an EV.
I don't blame the guy one bit. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| They told him he could stay at his same job for another 6 months, had him sign a contract and then suddenly they have to ship him off to an EV. |
I don't blame anyone either for NOT LIKING it. That doesn't mean they can't talk to the school and make other arrangements. If they did, then it would either mean commuting, which answers your question why there is talk about transportation, or they would move to Anyang and then go into the city on their time off (like weekends). This also takes transportation into consideration.
I don't think it is a good idea to just walk away from something because the way the school presented it was unfavorable. Talk to them, change it so it is favorable.
The schedule they had isn't going to return, so they need to find a better schedule. Threatening to leave or leaving just leaves the problem unsolved for another teacher to deal with. At least give the school options to make it better. If the school still says no, then leave. The next teacher can do the same, and maybe eventually the school will realize, "Maybe we should be doing what these foreign teachers are suggesting." |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Well, I suppose we will have to agree to dis-agree then.
Have a nice day. |
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Patong Dong
Joined: 06 May 2003
Location: On Nut
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Koreatimes:
They even have it set up for commuters on line 4 were you switch to line 1 on the same platform. This typically doesn't happen with subway lines "in Seoul". Japan does it a lot, but Seoul and Beijing don't
I don't get this. How do they have it set up on the same platform and how is this any easier? If he is coming from Seoul on line 4 and is going back north on line 1 he is not on the same platform. He has to go up the stairs, cross over the main rail line tracks and back down to a different platform. It's only set up on the same platform if you happen to be going a certain way. Think it through man. |
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