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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Greyjoy wrote: |
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Children are "forced" to do things all the time.
OP, are you a parent? |
If you raise your child not to be a maladjusted brat, you don't feel compelled to force them to do things. There's also a big different between "forcing" them to go to school and "forcing" them into a situation where they feel physically violated. Both don't work out well in the end.
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I'm confused. Are you saying that forcing a kid to go to school does not work out well in the end? And let me see if I understand your first sentence: Children that are raised well don't need to be forced to do things because they will simply choose to eat more veggies than sweets, choose to brush their teeth regularly, choose to read a lot and watch little or no TV, choose to share with their siblings, choose to go to bed at a reasonable time, and so on? If you are in fact a parent, please give me some tips on how to raise kids that always choose to do what's best without being coerced. |
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Greyjoy
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I was lucky enough to have a kid who enjoyed reading and school. The sweets thing didn't often come up because we don't keep that shit in the house. If you eat garbage and watch TV all the time, your kid will turn out as trashy as you.
If you're having to FORCE your child to go to school, I'm sure you're raising a very productive student. Rethink your approach.
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Greyjoy wrote: |
I guess I was lucky enough to have a kid who enjoyed reading and school. The sweets thing didn't often come up because we don't keep that shit in the house.
If you're having to FORCE your child to go to school, I'm sure you're raising a very productive student. Rethink your approach. |
I take it you didn't notice my use of "force" in quotation marks? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| pucciniphile wrote: |
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| Children are "forced" to do things all the time. |
Yes, I am aware of that.
I am aware that children are drafted as soldiers in Libya and in Chad.
I am aware that children were drafted as soldiers in Sierra Leone.
I am aware that child prostitution abounds in Thailand, the Philippines, India, and Sri Lanka.
I am aware that an estimated 1 in 6 children are engaged in child labor, including work in dangerous mines and work operating dangerous machinery.
I am aware that many of these children are being deprived of a good education and are therefore being deprived of a better future.
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| OP, are you a parent? |
No.
Why? If I were a parent, would I approve of all this? |
I "force" my kid to do things all the time. When she was a baby, I "forced" her to burp. I "forced" her to sit in a car seat. I even "forced" her to take medicine.
Now that she's four, I often "force" her to sit at the table for dinner, to stop picking her nose in public, and to say thank you when receiving gifts.
"force" as a parent can mean many things.
If you were a parent, you'd know that. |
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Greyjoy
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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No, because if she doesn't do them, there's more than encouragement behind it.
I don't know the age of your kid, but are you seriously telling me that you simply "encouraged" your baby from day one? That you never forced him/her to get a needle or anything, but rather encouraged the baby to do so?
If so, I do admire your child. It's a very rare baby that willingly decides to get injections. |
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Greyjoy
Joined: 12 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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pucciniphile
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Again, I have to ask you, have you ever considered that A)You might be wrong |
Absolutely.
That's why I ask you to discuss the issue at hand and show me where I'm wrong.
You won't do that.
Instead, you call me "flippant," "mindless," "arrogant," "insane,"and "socially maladjusted," you say that I "have failed in life somehow," you call me "an absolute nut," you call my opinions "ludicrous," you say that I "might have some issues," you question my "sanity, character, and social well-being," you accuse me of "developing a complex," and you say I "have a few screws loose."
Sorry, but none of this helps me understand why children should be forced to hug their grandpareents.
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| and B) That you might be suffering from some sort of disorder involving reality and perception? |
Maybe so, but that involves a lot of hypotheses which can't be either falsified or verified.
The Christian Scientists say that all of matter is an illusion.
You can talk to them about chemistry and physics, but they will only tell you that the entire fields of chemistry and physics are an illusion.
Someone predicted that we would all get killed on December 16, 1996.
When the date came and passed and nothing happened, that person merely said that we all got changed into holograms on that date.
I always thought that the presence of dinosaur skeletons in the earth proves that dinosaurs roamed the earth.
But now I learned about the Gosse hypothesis, which suggests that God planted all that evidence just to fool people.
And now The Truman Show tells us that we are all nothing more than characters in a computer game being played by someone bigger and greater than us.
I can't disprove that either.
I don't know everything, so I'm glad you do.
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Greyjoy wrote: |
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No, because if she doesn't do them, there's more than encouragement behind it.
I don't know the age of your kid, but are you seriously telling me that you simply "encouraged" your baby from day one? That you never forced him/her to get a needle or anything, but rather encouraged the baby to do so?
If so, I do admire your child. It's a very rare baby that willingly decides to get injections. |
So driving your child to the doctor is "forcing?" |
I'm not sure how you define forcing, Greyjoy, but I interpret forcing as causing someone to do something against his or her will. So, if a child does not want to go to the doctor, driving said child to the doctor is forcing.
From dictionary.reference.com, "force, definition 18": to compel, constrain, or oblige (oneself or someone) to do something |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty much how I viewed the word as well. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely.
That's why I ask you to discuss the issue at hand and show me where I'm wrong.
Sorry, but none of this helps me understand why children should be forced to hug their grandpareents. |
Because it's the right thing to do.
Morals don't necessarily make "logical" sense.
Hug grandma because it makes her feel better. Not in a sexual way but in a familial one.
Grandma and ma have done things that don't make them happy to make you happy. Reciprocate.
But fine, don't hug grandma. And then don't whine when anything morally wrong happens to you. |
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