|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
|
 Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Chokse wrote: |
The United States has more people arrested and punished each year for murder. That must mean the US is the only country actively punishing those who commit murder. I'm sure other countries have much higher rates of murder, but they just never get around to punishing those who commit it.
The above is an example of TheUrbanMyth's logic. Lovely, isn't it?
Dude, if a county has a high rate of people being punished for a certain crime, it ALMOST ALWAYS indicates that said country has a particular problem with that type of crime. Statistics 101 dude. See the difference between the example above and what is written in the article the OP posted? |
Actually, your example is somewhat sound. Japan, for instance, is said to have a MUCH higher murder rate than it reports. But that police classify murders there according to their ability to solve them. Unsolvable often equals just a dead person. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| tatertot wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Chokse wrote: |
The United States has more people arrested and punished each year for murder. That must mean the US is the only country actively punishing those who commit murder. I'm sure other countries have much higher rates of murder, but they just never get around to punishing those who commit it.
The above is an example of TheUrbanMyth's logic. Lovely, isn't it?
Dude, if a county has a high rate of people being punished for a certain crime, it ALMOST ALWAYS indicates that said country has a particular problem with that type of crime. Statistics 101 dude. See the difference between the example above and what is written in the article the OP posted? |
Key words being "high rate." According to my calculator the number of Koreans indicted for perjury in 2007 vs the total population is roughly 0.00003%
In what world is that a "high rate"?
Looks like you should have chosen Math 101 instead of Statistics 101 |
You're off by a factor of 100. Relative to other countries, 0.003% may be quite high (even if it's not high percentage-wise). |
South Korea has a population of almost 50 million (as of 2010). If we take that number and multiply it by 0.00003 we get 1500...which is roughly the number of Koreans (1544) who were indicted for perjury.
How did you arrive at your figures?
Anyway I was discussing this part of his quote.
| Quote: |
| "Dude if a country has a high rate of people being punished for certain crime, it ALMOST ALWAYS indicates that said country has a particular problem with that type of crime." |
Regardless 0.0003% or 0.00003% is not a "high rate" for "a country". Yes relative to other countries it may be (or it may be quite low for all we know) but I wasn't talking about other countries here. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
The United States has more people arrested and punished each year for murder. That must mean the US is the only country actively punishing those who commit murder. I'm sure other countries have much higher rates of murder, but they just never get around to punishing those who commit it.
The above is an example of TheUrbanMyth's logic. Lovely, isn't it?
D |
Also I never said or suggested that Korea was the only country that actively punishes perjury. Seriously where you do come up with this nonsense? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
South Korea has a population of almost 50 million (as of 2010). If we take that number and multiply it by 0.00003 we get 1500...which is roughly the number of Koreans (1544) who were indicted for perjury.
How did you arrive at your figures?
|
Percent basically means "out of every 100" (since cent means 100). After dividing the number of indicted Koreans by the population of Korea, you have to multiply by 100 to convert to a percentage number. I'm not saying that your other points are right or wrong, but a factor of 100 is a significant error in any case. To be clear, 0.00003 and 0.003% are equal. They are just different ways of saying the same thing. But, 0.00003% is very different. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| tatertot wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
South Korea has a population of almost 50 million (as of 2010). If we take that number and multiply it by 0.00003 we get 1500...which is roughly the number of Koreans (1544) who were indicted for perjury.
How did you arrive at your figures?
|
Percent basically means "out of every 100" (since cent means 100). After dividing the number of indicted Koreans by the population of Korea, you have to multiply by 100 to convert to a percentage number. I'm not saying that your other points are right or wrong, but a factor of 100 is a significant error in any case. To be clear, 0.00003 and 0.003% are equal. They are just different ways of saying the same thing. But, 0.00003% is very different. |
You are correct I neglected to multiply by 100.
So .003% it is.
But getting back to the argument at hand. This is still an insignificant number in terms of the population of the country. And can not be described as a "high rate" either in terms of the country itself or in terms of other countries (since no statistics have been provided for said countries).
Which still proves my point (even if I didn't take M101)  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
You forgot to multiply by 100?
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tardisrider
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
| This thread is evidence of nothing except that some people will argue over anything. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
|
| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
People in courts of law lie? Woah, stop the presses!
You ever been to drunk driving/drug/child support court?
I bet anywhere in the OECD its the same entertaining mess.
I mean, are we seriously surprised that people involved with LAWYERS lie?
What's next, breaking news on how politicians are corrupt?
The sanctity of small claims court. Wow.
What's the line from Breaking Bad? "You don't want a criminal lawyer. You want a CRIMINAL lawyer." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
If you're a teacher in Korea, you don't really need math to know that there's a cheating/lying culture in Korea. I've only lived in 2 countries, but the cheating/lying I saw in my classes were exponentially greater than anything I've ever seen before.
It doesn't mean Korea's a terrible country though. Korea does lots of things better than Canada. But in the cheating/lying department, Koreans are incredibly guilty of it. Like China as well. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mayorgc wrote: |
If you're a teacher in Korea, you don't really need math to know that there's a cheating/lying culture in Korea. I've only lived in 2 countries, but the cheating/lying I saw in my classes were exponentially greater than anything I've ever seen before.
It doesn't mean Korea's a terrible country though. Korea does lots of things better than Canada. But in the cheating/lying department, Koreans are incredibly guilty of it. Like China as well. |
It really is off-the-charts and ingrained from a young age.
Took a lot of guts to write the article, but with the heavy competition that goes on here, I'm not expecting anyone to take that much notice. And Joseon didn't provide much of a model culture to begin with. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Triban wrote: |
You forgot to multiply by 100?
|
LOLOLOLOLOL he's so smart  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
I find older Korean men tend to lie to me about stuff that I can obviously check is false in under a minute. I don't meet liars this bad in Canada except back in elementary school.
Like an official for our school board said that I would have to do the open class, since there aren't any other foreigners in our school district who are on their second semester. I was just thinking to myself, "Dosn't he think I hang out with the other foreigners, WHO LIVE IN MY BUILDING, that have been here longer than me and haven't done an open class yet?"
I always get this stuff from Korean men and I think it has to do with male Korean bravado, and not losing face or admitting you don't know something.
They told us specifically in teacher training NOT to admit that we don't know something to our students, and to just lie and make something up if we don't know. Our trainer (a Korean woman) told us that it would damage the students' image of us if they were to find out we didn't know something. My class was full of gyopos and non-Korean foreigners, we were all shocked and perplexed by this because our cultures do not allow such a thing.
Recently a guy friend told me that it would "probably cost 50,000 won per hour" to hire a maid to come weekly. I wanted to hire one for two-three hours per week, one day per week. My other Korean roomate was against hiring a maid because he thought it would be too expensive, so this guy friend was backing him up. I was just thinking, "Why the hell are you studying to be an engineer if that's what maids make? You drooling neanderthal. Can't you integrate the facts of the world with your statements?" Forget English teaching, I'm gonna wipe the floor for 150,000 in three hours. Yet these halmonis are picking up cardboard boxes and newspaper to pull 120,000 per month. They must be stupid, why don't they become maids?
At least people respect my intelligence enough to be more careful with their lies in Canada. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
| chungbukdo wrote: |
I find older Korean men tend to lie to me about stuff that I can obviously check is false in under a minute. I don't meet liars this bad in Canada except back in elementary school.
Like an official for our school board said that I would have to do the open class, since there aren't any other foreigners in our school district who are on their second semester. I was just thinking to myself, "Dosn't he think I hang out with the other foreigners, WHO LIVE IN MY BUILDING, that have been here longer than me and haven't done an open class yet?"
I always get this stuff from Korean men and I think it has to do with male Korean bravado, and not losing face or admitting you don't know something.
They told us specifically in teacher training NOT to admit that we don't know something to our students, and to just lie and make something up if we don't know. Our trainer (a Korean woman) told us that it would damage the students' image of us if they were to find out we didn't know something. My class was full of gyopos and non-Korean foreigners, we were all shocked and perplexed by this because our cultures do not allow such a thing.
Recently a guy friend told me that it would "probably cost 50,000 won per hour" to hire a maid to come weekly. I wanted to hire one for two-three hours per week, one day per week. My other Korean roomate was against hiring a maid because he thought it would be too expensive, so this guy friend was backing him up. I was just thinking, "Why the hell are you studying to be an engineer if that's what maids make? You drooling neanderthal. Can't you integrate the facts of the world with your statements?" Forget English teaching, I'm gonna wipe the floor for 150,000 in three hours. Yet these halmonis are picking up cardboard boxes and newspaper to pull 120,000 per month. They must be stupid, why don't they become maids?
At least people respect my intelligence enough to be more careful with their lies in Canada. |
Hey now, at least these lies are often harmless and laughable. None of these things hurt you and most probably gave you a good laugh.
It's one thing for lies to be obvious and face-saving, it's another thing for lies to be manipulative and backstabbing.
I dated a Korean girl for a year and found out she was lying to me about her age, her name, where she lived, her marriage and the fact that she had children. She would go to great lengths to lie about these things, even to go as far as pointing to a building in Bundang (where she said she lived with her parents) when in actuality she lived in Yongin with her husband and children.
I'd rather be told silly lies like the ones you're talking about than earth-shattering lies like the ones she told me. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
