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Steelrails
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| An indifferent society. A corrupt educational system. The decline in moral values. All the usual phrases will be thrown out. I'm sure one of them is true. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Wow! If I were his dad; I'd prob fly into a fit of rage over such stupidity and beat the teacher within an inch of her life. There is absolutely no excuse for this level of stupidity and incompetence. At the very least I'd demand she hand over millions in won! Hope she rots in jail for a long time!!! |
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tatertot
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Wow! If I were his dad; I'd prob fly into a fit of rage over such stupidity and beat the teacher within an inch of her life. There is absolutely no excuse for this level of stupidity and incompetence. At the very least I'd demand she hand over millions in won! Hope she rots in jail for a long time!!! |
Ah, but...it's money or jail time. You can't have both.  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| Accidents happen. Sad story. |
True. |
Agreed. But I'm sure we can agree that some accidents can be prevented.
It's been my experience with kindergartens in Korea that they are ... less aware of safety than I'd like.
I had to pull my daughter out of one for these very concerns.
Such a horrible end for such a little life. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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5 years old and can't open a car door?
A baby/toddler strapped into a car seat, I can understand. But a 5 year old?
Am I just giving 5 year olds too much credit? When I was 5 I was getting in trouble all the time for getting into places I shouldn't be. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| 5 Korean age could be 3 or 4... and that's the age of my daughter... and yeah, she'd have troubles with certain doors. She opens the car door, but I'm not sure how she'd handle a van. |
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Spongebob Squarepants
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Location: You wanna see my caring face?, ROK
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Saw this incident on Korean TV yesterday...suffice it to say for a host of reasons I will not be able to trust the care of my daughter to a Korean daycare/kindergarten facility. She will also not be attending Korean schools and my wife is with me 100% on this. Better safe than sorry folks. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: 5yr boy dies left in kindergarten bongo car. |
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you guys hear about the 5 year old boy who was left in a bongo car,?
the heat was 32 degree, and the teacher and driver left him in the car.
when the father came to pick up his son from school, the teacher said.
"no, your son didn't come to school today!!"
the father said.. "YA, you said goodbye to me when I put my son in your car!! don't you remember..???? the teacher then did the Korean. ohhhh really...ohhh ummmm .. the father then turned to the BONGO truck, ran to the truck, opened the bongo and found his son bleeding from the nose, and dead...
so who is to blame for this? |
I've seen some pretty interesting interpretations of the English language on Dave's, but this last sentence was what informed me of the OP's likely origin. OP, questions like these are often odd for those of us that don't come from blame societies (compelled to place blame in the case of any accident or even the corrupt president Roh's suicide, for example). For me it was this question of yours that seemed to be promoting a rocking of the boat, or a fishing (trolling) for desired negative responses. Furthermore, links to articles will in many cases help prevent you from becoming the target of flaming.
J7 |
It's called initiating conversation.
blame societies? LOL, that's a laugh! get off your high horse pal!
we come from a world of pointing the finger!
and evidently, from my sojourn here in Korea I would assume pretty confidently that Korea doesn't go around blaming others as much as you think. you only have to watch CNN to see American politics playing the blame game!
talking about ROH's death? that was more on the lines of Conspiracy theorists! but lets not go down that road now shall we, because if we do, we can both firmly say, America takes the cake there!
so before you pass judgement on others, why don't you see the real picture, oh better yet, engage the conversation topic, or MOVE ON PAL! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| Accidents happen. Sad story. |
True. |
Agreed. But I'm sure we can agree that some accidents can be prevented.
It's been my experience with kindergartens in Korea that they are ... less aware of safety than I'd like.
I had to pull my daughter out of one for these very concerns.
Such a horrible end for such a little life. |
Of course some accidents can be prevented. No one will deny this.
However, saldy accidents will ALWAYS occur. That is often NOT societal issue but rather personal negligence.
There was a story here a couple of years ago about a father who was working 60-70 hour weeks and who forgot his daughter in the car seat in his car as he went to take the commute train to work. She died in the car. He killed himself later on out of grief. This was horrible but it was an accident.
Then there was the woman in Ontario last year who left her TWO young kids in her car while she went to gamble at the casino, in the WINTER. A parking lot attendant found the kids, one was in hypothermia. That was parental negligence.
These horrible things happen, things can be done to prevent them but they still happen. This is how this Korean tragedy reads from my vantage point: a horrible, horrible accident.
On a much less dramatic scale, the son of a dear friend of ours broke his leg at a daycare in May. He was playing on the play module in the backyard of the daycare, being supervised by the daycare attendants when he fell and broke his leg. The module was chock full of safety bars and the floor was cushioned. He was supervised. Yet, he fell akwardly and broke his leg (poor kid!).
On a completely different scale, I got hit by a drunk driver in 2008. Yet Canada has draconian laws on drunk driving to prevent this. It happened nonetheless. Crap happens.
I would be very reluctant to blame any society for these things. I prefer to look at these incidents on an individual basis. They are the results of bad decisions made by people, not of bad societal norms. You can prevent things up to a point but crap will still occur. |
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madoka
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| I would be very reluctant to blame any society for these things. I prefer to look at these incidents on an individual basis. They are the results of bad decisions made by people, not of bad societal norms. You can prevent things up to a point but crap will still occur. |
Precisely. Earlier this year a daycare provider left her kids alone with a burning stove still on while she went to go shop at Target. Consequently a fire broke out and killed four of the infants/toddlers inside her home. No one suggested that America was to blame for that accident, because frankly that would be retarded. Yet the haters on Dave's can't wait to pin individual accidents or behavior on the whole of Korean society. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| Accidents happen. Sad story. |
True. |
Agreed. But I'm sure we can agree that some accidents can be prevented.
It's been my experience with kindergartens in Korea that they are ... less aware of safety than I'd like.
I had to pull my daughter out of one for these very concerns.
Such a horrible end for such a little life. |
Of course some accidents can be prevented. No one will deny this.
However, saldy accidents will ALWAYS occur. That is often NOT societal issue but rather personal negligence.
There was a story here a couple of years ago about a father who was working 60-70 hour weeks and who forgot his daughter in the car seat in his car as he went to take the commute train to work. She died in the car. He killed himself later on out of grief. This was horrible but it was an accident.
Then there was the woman in Ontario last year who left her TWO young kids in her car while she went to gamble at the casino, in the WINTER. A parking lot attendant found the kids, one was in hypothermia. That was parental negligence.
These horrible things happen, things can be done to prevent them but they still happen. This is how this Korean tragedy reads from my vantage point: a horrible, horrible accident.
On a much less dramatic scale, the son of a dear friend of ours broke his leg at a daycare in May. He was playing on the play module in the backyard of the daycare, being supervised by the daycare attendants when he fell and broke his leg. The module was chock full of safety bars and the floor was cushioned. He was supervised. Yet, he fell akwardly and broke his leg (poor kid!).
On a completely different scale, I got hit by a drunk driver in 2008. Yet Canada has draconian laws on drunk driving to prevent this. It happened nonetheless. Crap happens.
I would be very reluctant to blame any society for these things. I prefer to look at these incidents on an individual basis. They are the results of bad decisions made by people, not of bad societal norms. You can prevent things up to a point but crap will still occur. |
Patrick, do me a favor and look through my post for anywhere that I blame society.
I'm not seeing it right now, but maybe you could help me out.
What I am saying is that I HAVE EXPERIENCE with a number of kindergartens in Korea and have found them "lacking" in the safety consciousness department.
I think almost anyone on this forum can attest to the fact that I'm not big about making sweeping generalizations about Korea (  )
But I also call 'em like I see 'em.
And I've seen far too many instances where accidents like this could happen. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Did not say you blamed society CC!
Was just discussing the issue from my perspective of things. Sorry if it came off as if I was implying you made it a social issue.
I too have seen many kindergartens and daycares in Korea where some situations were dangerous to kids (danger to varying levels). What I am saying is that this will happen everywhere, even if there are standards on the books. That to me is called unavoidable accidents.
The odds can perhaps be reduced. My life experiences tell me crap will invariably happen, no matter what.
Not to mention safety consciousness is quite relative and so very dependant on cultural norms, history and in many ways evolution of a place.
Car seats were nowhere to be seen in Canada when I was a kid, seatbelts were nearly never worn. Now both are the norm and widely used. Korea in that respect still has a different outlook as in relative time frame terms, cars are still a "new" thing on a mass scale. So to my eyes a child in a car without a car seat is dangerous. To Mr Kim over there it is as normal as it was to my dad when I was an infant. Therein lies the trap of snap shots and judgements we make that tend to be out of local perspective.
Still, I understand your concern and as parent of 2 who was rammed by a drunk driver with my family in the car, all I can tell you is you can try to minimize the risk but you really cannot eliminate it or control the actions of others.
My son broke two of his teeth while riding his bike a couple of years ago. He was wearing a helmet and was still on training wheels. All it took for it to happen was a second of distraction on my part while he was jutting around on the bike path at the park and he got into a small collision...crap happens!
the daycare where our friends kid broke his leg is a very good one and the daycare attendant is a good one too...it was an accident. It happens. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think another problem is a lot of these day cares, the ones in apartments, or even little day cares are not monitored by the governments. back home you would not even be allowed to operate such a place without inspectors first visiting your place and going over the place and making it sure it passes the government standards.
A lot of Korean places still work in the grey area.
I am not saying these kindergarten wasn't legal, I am sure it was.
but a lot of places I have seen, clearly are house wifes looking for extra income and are dangerous environments for children.
I blame the Teacher and Bus Driver for the 5 year old boys death.
they should of double checked the car and made sure no passengers were left behind, and the teacher should of remembered picking up the boy and strapping him into his seat beat.
I mean come on... the Teacher has to take the blame for this.. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| strapping him into his seat beat. |
You must be joking. How does one remember doing something that's never done? |
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theloneleaf
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I think another problem is a lot of these day cares, the ones in apartments, or even little day cares are not monitored by the governments. |
Sure they are, where do you get that they're not? |
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