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EverGreen212
Joined: 16 Aug 2011
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: Re: I'm Turning into a Zombie Teacher |
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I come into work everyday and it seems as if I sleep walk through the whole day, no, whole week. I have enough energy for 2 or 3 classes and then I go cu-put.
I don't know what it is. The kids constantly, everyday not wanting to learn and shifting their attention to either playing or talking have taken it's toll on me. I feel I teach in vain most of the time and my time put in is not appreciated even in the slightest by the kids; I am mostly talking about the younger kids up to grade 3 or 4.
I walk in Monday and just go in to zombie mode until Friday. I just go to work and the only thing keeping my sanity is knowing the weekend is 5 days away.
I've said in my mind that I hate my life right now. The money is ok, but my job just plain out sucks. And all of this in the span of 1 year and 9 months. I am officially burnt out.
Do you ever feel like this? How long until you were burnt out?
I think this job slowly makes you go crazy, because I just start to act goofy in class singing songs with the CD out of shear I-hate-my-job boredom.
Every Friday at 9pm I can't wait to go to Family Mart, buy a 40oz of Cass Red and Soju for some so-mek--its the only thing that keeps my sanity and frankly the one thing that I look forward to to. I never drank in the states but here it seems to be the medicine that takes me away from this place and week of torture for a few hours.
I know what I wrote might sound a little wacky, but I'm a normal man, just one who hates his job and is going to be tied down to it for years to come having a wife here soon, and living here for the next 10 years. |
Question- is this a public school or hagwon position? |
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Kennyftw
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| it's neither. It's an after school job |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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How long until you were burnt out? |
Two months. I've now been here almost four years. Finding a better job will help a lot. Sometimes I still fall back on zombie mode when I get a class of particularly thick/disinterested students but it's not all day every day and I don't have to drink to cope with it. Actually my preferred coping method back then was food. I would look forward to that damn Snickers all day. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hey I know what you must be going through. It's the age level. I am definitely not cut out for teaching people under the age of 16 or so. Just isn't for me AT ALL and I did it for about 2 and a half years. At the end of that, I said "never again."
If you stay here long term, married to a Korean woman, think about getting a Masters and university job. Work in an adult hakwon. Adults (even teenagers) are just so much better to teach than little kids.
That's just my opinion on why you're not happy. It's a bit of a mind-numbing job. I can never imagine singing songs with kids, teaching the alphabet, A-aaa Apple ever again. To me, it's really just... dull and horrible!
So ride it out, finish it up, and one day you'll look back and laugh at your old job like I am now. My experience in Korea changed vastly after getting a new job, teaching a new age group... It will get better! |
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ATM SPIDERTAO
Joined: 05 Jul 2009 Location: seoul, south korea
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| i used to really love this job when i was super young looking and all the girl students thought i was hot. at least i felt like a celebrity while teaching and i had no idea what i was doing. now that i'm a great teacher, the students treat me with respect and more or less, like a teacher... and it's just not as fun anymore. i'm looking forward to a new job. maybe teaching middle school or high school and not elementary school. they ask me how old i am and i say 27 in korean age and they are appalled that i am not married. sigh... youth is so important in this country... |
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ATM SPIDERTAO wrote: |
| i used to really love this job when i was super young looking and all the girl students thought i was hot. at least i felt like a celebrity while teaching and i had no idea what i was doing. now that i'm a great teacher, the students treat me with respect and more or less, like a teacher... and it's just not as fun anymore. i'm looking forward to a new job. maybe teaching middle school or high school and not elementary school. they ask me how old i am and i say 27 in korean age and they are appalled that i am not married. sigh... youth is so important in this country... |
Hahaha. I started this gig at 32, and my students were SHOCKED that I was not married. My second year, I had a boyfriend, and one student recently returned from the US told me I had to marry him asap, so as to keep him from looking at other women. She was in 2nd grade! Wowsers, like marrying someone is going to stop a wandering eye (I did marry him, btw, but for much better reasons than that!)
Anyway, it's good to hear that so many others struggle with this too. So many people talk about what makes you a good or bad teacher here, and no one talks about burn out.
The only way I can live in this country is to leave it for a while. Am looking forward to the next trip out (permanently?) at the end of term. I think I am a good teacher, but I struggle with zombie mode. It's tough when everyone acts like all the hours you put in don't count for "real" learning. |
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v88
Joined: 28 Feb 2010 Location: here
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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I know how you feel.
I came here thinking I was going to really get to know my students and have this great teaching experience. Teaching in Korea really isn't that great. It's not like working at home in a school where you are part of something and able to help the kids make it through to the next step. In Korea you are teaching kids whose parents are certain a little face time with an English speaker will make their kid an English speaker. You have a boss that sees you more as a commodity rather than a teacher. You have students who are just desk warming because they are forced to go to endless hours of classes by their parents. You teach different levels, different ages and likely have far too many hours of teaching all these different levels, ages and faceless students to actually do proper prep work.
While the expectations of your employer may actually be low in terms of the quality of work that you do (rather than the quantity), the hours of constantly teaching English on the fly (rather than with good plans), managing students who have been to one too many classes already that day (and a boss who likely doesn't support you) and the general lack of enthusiasm your students have for the subject matter can be extremely tiring.
Being burnt out can happen to any teacher, but I think it can be worse here.
My advice: make class fun for your students if they are willing to do the work that you ask of them first, learn to feel good about the work that you do (rather than waiting for your students or your boss to give you the gratification you want...it's not going to happen), don't feel bad about giving your students 'busy work' so that you can catch your breath once and a while, keep your expectations low and get a new job (because some jobs are better than others here).
Things were getting horrible for me until I decided that I would have students do work sheets in class while we listened to music. This gave me a break, they were easy to prepare and I had more energy for the speaking and communication parts of class. I was also able to get kids to review the day's work and check up on them to see if they truly understood.
I also kept points for kids who did their homework and behaved in class. If they had enough points they could participate in games that we had from time to time. If they were bad...more work sheets. Games can be simple (like hang man or pictionary for reviewing vocabulary) and last only a short time or more complex and time consuming (like Clue, Scrabble or even poker). I had a simple rule, kids would lose points or lose a turn if they spoke in Korean.
I also had monthly activity days where kids did projects in class. Kids did posters, science projects, stories, book reviews and even invented their own games. This broke up the monotony of the daily grind and gave everyone (including me) something to look forward to. I really enjoyed being able to work with the kids on their projects and it gave me a chance to get to know them better.
If you are unable to do this (or something like it) at your school....quit and look for a school that actually wants a teacher and not an English robot.
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: I'm Turning into a Zombie Teacher |
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| Kennyftw wrote: |
I don't know what it is. The kids constantly, everyday not wanting to learn and shifting their attention to either playing or talking have taken it's toll on me. I feel I teach in vain most of the time and my time put in is not appreciated even in the slightest by the kids; I am mostly talking about the younger kids up to grade 3 or 4.
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Since you've said you are going to be here for the foreseeable future, I'd suggest that you need to look at ways of managing behaviour if you are to continue teaching children.
You could, as another poster suggested, go for a university job, but you might feel more positive if you can improve your classes at elementary school, before moving on.
I hope I don't sound critical - I don't mean to be. I've been there, many times - feeling incredibly frustrated with students' poor behaviour, wanting to walk out, and thinking about those beers at the weekend.
But, I'm willing to bet, that almost every teacher on the planet has, at some point, felt this way too.
I appreciate that this might be difficult right now, because you feel you can't really connect with the job at all, but if you can find ways of motivating the students and controlling their behaviour, so that your classes work the way you want to, you'll feel less zombiefied. You've just got to look into different methods of classroom management, try them all, and find the ones that work for you and these particular students.
Easier said than done, of course. If you knew how to do that, you'd be doing it already. But, you know, all of us hit slumps, and they are not infinite - you can pull yourself out of it; everything changes all the time; things do improve.
All the best to the OP. Don' despair. But, as a last resort, you might try turning into a zombie completely and just eating their brains when they annoy you.
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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I know how you feel.
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I think v88 makes a lot of good points here, and agree with him / her completely. You do need to find ways of giving yourself some space in the classroom.
The project thing is a good idea - just feel comfortable about having some chill-out lessons, where you get them to make a poster, or something - do it on a related topic to whatever they are studying. Then, as v88, says you can just go round and chat to the kids, it doesnt' feel like 'teaching,' and you get to know them more, outside the usual teacher / student relationship, which by now has become a little dysfunctional.
V88 also writes about playing games. Many of us here have written disparingingly, about the teacher-as-clown / teacher-as-entertainer role that some of us fall into. But, playing games in the classroom need not mean this - there are loads of things you can do which are educational, and the kids enjoy.
I use a lot of board games with my youngest students - grade 1 of middle school. They are great, because they mean I can get a class of 42 students all speaking English at the same time. It's way better than the teacher to whole class / hand's-up / one-person-speaking at once dynamic - because the students are engaged, and all of them have the opportunity to speak.
Honestly, I'd really recommend using board games in your teaching. The main ones I use are from this site:
http://www.eslgamesworld.com/
You can download templates, fill the boards with language relevant to what your students are studying, explain how to play and leave 'em to it. It takes the pressure off you, because you then act as a faciliator, just going round to different groups, monitor them, and encourage them to participate. You are no longer standing at the front of the class, trying to fight the vicious monster.
Oxford and Cambridge University Presses both have a lot of good books with games and activities for EAL teaching. You'll find these in the big books stores over here - Bandi and Luni's and so on. If you want copies on .pdf, I can send them by email. |
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, the "get a different job" idea is a big one. I got the one grade level I asked not to teach. I am at a school where I could be incredibly lazy if I wanted to (I think, anyway) but I am not like that. I like to get the kids engaged...but I am handicapped at every turn. So, it's a new job or new country for me after this. It's sad really, I feel like I have connected with a lot of students during my time at this job, an driven the proper (supportive) environment, I think I could go from good at my job to totally kick-a$$ (maybe that's why my coworkers aren't supportive?). Oh well. I've had non-teaching jobs like that in the past.
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alfr
Joined: 27 Aug 2011
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| maybe it is also that first you think that you "can make a difference", but then realize that neither your school or coworkers are supportive of whatever "individual" initiative or engagement you make. you get "sucked" into the system and your work does not provide any satisfaction and you get burnt out by the monotony thereof. that, at least, is how i feel. |
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Kaypea
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I know how you feel.
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Honestly, I'd really recommend using board games in your teaching. The main ones I use are from this site:
http://www.eslgamesworld.com/
You can download templates, fill the boards with language relevant to what your students are studying, explain how to play and leave 'em to it. It takes the pressure off you, because you then act as a faciliator, just going round to different groups, monitor them, and encourage them to participate. You are no longer standing at the front of the class, trying to fight the vicious monster.
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Thanks! This looks cool. |
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DanseurVertical
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: I'm Turning into a Zombie Teacher |
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| Kennyftw wrote: |
I come into work everyday and it seems as if I sleep walk through the whole day, no, whole week. I have enough energy for 2 or 3 classes and then I go cu-put.
I don't know what it is. The kids constantly, everyday not wanting to learn and shifting their attention to either playing or talking have taken it's toll on me. I feel I teach in vain most of the time and my time put in is not appreciated even in the slightest by the kids; I am mostly talking about the younger kids up to grade 3 or 4.
I walk in Monday and just go in to zombie mode until Friday. I just go to work and the only thing keeping my sanity is knowing the weekend is 5 days away. |
I teach middle school and have never taught younger, elementary age students, but I think this would apply to them as well. You're teaching at public elementary school, right? Do you ever create materials for your classes? Creating materials takes a lot of time and thought, but if done well, it can really pay off. If I didn't create materials that would catch students' attention, then I'd feel the same way, for sure. Any media or theme that can elicit an emotional reaction (even so simple as like an unexpected picture of puppies) can really transform student motivation. I also encourage students to be creative and have fun. For example, in response to a question, "What do you want for your birthday?" encourage them to say silly answers... like "China" or "Barak Obama". You're still teaching the same target expression, but the kids have fun practicing it.
I've spoken to Korean English teachers at other schools, and they feel the same way, that their work is oppressively boring. And on the basis of our talking, I can tell another Korean teacher at my school is feeling a lot of despair over the lack of student interest (to a point that I worry about her somewhat). In her case, it's because our school's curriculum is dramatically too difficult for about 80% of the students... And months of teaching only from a textbook to students whose level is much lower than what the exercises demand has got to be hell. Unfortunately, the native Korean teachers don't have much freedom in what they teach, because their primary obligation is not to foster English skills but to prepare their students for the school's written examinations. But as a foreign teacher, if your department isn't lame, we have some freedom.
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| Every Friday at 9pm I can't wait to go to Family Mart, buy a 40oz of Cass Red and Soju for some so-mek--its the only thing that keeps my sanity and frankly the one thing that I look forward to to. I never drank in the states but here it seems to be the medicine that takes me away from this place and week of torture for a few hours. |
I know what you mean somewhat. My trouble is more the opposite of yours. I enjoy work, but then evening comes and I'm too tired to do anything interesting or fulfilling outside of work. So instead, more often than not I'll just have a drink and sleep. But I'm still a relative newcomer here, and I can imagine this changing. But in your case, if you are going to drink, at least procure something interesting ;) |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Hitting the wall as a teacher is common enough. It happens to many educators as teaching is a hard job and is often thankless in many ways. That grinds some people down.
The key in my opinion is to find ways to improve your lessons, learn about teaching methodology and techniques in order to see things more clearly. That will allow you to see beyond the text books and to manage your classes better. Eliminating much of the unecessary discipline will free you up to focus more on an entertaining lesson.
That does take time and effort but it can pay off big time. There are tons of websites with suggestions for ESL-EFL lessons and activities that you can use to ehance the textbook stuff. There also sites that offer tips on classroom management, planning and other key issues. Reading up on these things will typically help a teacher a lot.
Resorting to drinking and locking yourself in a "lets just get through this week for my next weekend drinking binge" will not improve anything and in fact will push you down further into this negative spiral you put yourself into.
Other things that will help are: get hobbies or re-engage in the things you did back home, stay active, exercise, get out there and meet people, travel to other places in Korea on some weekends.
A lot of this will also depend on why you came to Korea and on how you view teaching. |
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