rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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 Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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| I wonder if this has to do with the fact that they took pictures of it. Maybe the posted it online, which would make the harm more grievous in terms of people seeing it and recognizing here. I think that The sentence is excessive, but to call it harmless, and to put the blame on the woman for getting drunk with her supposed friends is wrong minded. |
Wow! Did someone above write that it was harmless? Anyways, making a person responsible for her (or his) body doesn't seem very wrong-minded to me regardless of who one is drinking with.
Maybe find better "friends?" Regardless it's also the chicks fault for getting absolutely smashed with people she doesn't know well enough to be sure they won't take advantage of her. In my book, they're all idiots and they all deserve EQUAL amounts of blame and social defamation. She should be kicked out of school to say the least. If society's going to make examples as its means of policing people, then I don't see why she doesn't get the boot just as stiffly as the guys she was drinking with.
I know that the case isn't so for Korea, but drunkeness is also considered a crime in countries that find it necessary to deem such public drinking shenanigans wrong. Korea seems to fit the bill.
Seeing this woman as a poor damsel...now that is wrong-minded. |
You want the girl to be kicked out of college for drinking and being molested against her will? Equal amounts of blame and social defamation? In your mind having too much to drink is equal to molesting some one and taking pictures of it? Yeah, that's wrong minded no matter how you try to spin it. I agree that the sentence is excessive, but the rest of it is bs. |
I didn't want any of them to be kicked out of college, but feel that it would be fair since the college kicked the boys out on grounds that they were behaving unbefitting of future professionals. In my mind, social blame has nothing to do with litigation. You're mixing (rather creating your own) logic.
The litigation should be different from the society's take and judgement of the case. People should admit that drunkenness is a social evil first and foremost. The reason that I say this is because the litigation was unrightfully tied to social interpretation and outrage at the case.
The sentence was excessive. Yet these kids being kicked out on grounds of "pre-professional conduct" is the worst bs I've ever heard of--it's sexism at its worst. There's no reason for why this case should have been tied to their academic careers. It was wrong.
But, my point that drunkenness is a problem--regardless of whether you believe that I'm the new DJ on the block or not--stands and it's unclear at why you would suggest viewing the damsel in distress as any less culpable for what actually occurred.
Law was meant to protect, to provide examples that would help lead to proper conduct and social security. The only thing I can ask is what would be the implications and ramifications of such a verdict in this case? It simply reinforces the mistaken notion that women are vulnerable and potential prey for salacious men and that women need not do anything to change that perception.
Since when did social responsibility outweigh individual responsibility in a democratic country? Talk about an extreme interpretation of the relationship between capitalism and Confucianism... 
When I say equal blame what I mean is that each person failed to fulfill an individual responsibility as future professionals. Each person should thus be judged primarily on that failure. What I do not mean to say (nor did I) is that molesting a person is equal to getting drunk. |
Oh, so you just point blank against being drunk? Well, that is umm interesting I guess. When you talk about individual responsibility I would say that it would mostly fall on the guys, or the girls what ever the case might be, to not put their hands where they aren't wanted and not to take pictures of it. But like you said, they were drinking, and if you think drinking is wrong, then I guess in that kind of world view they were all screwing up...... |
Good, you get it. But I have nothing against drinking, but much against being hammered drunk. To me there's very little difference between a person smashed drunk from alcohol and one toasted from other illegal substances. To me if a 20-something future doctor can't figure out her alcohol tolerance, then she has no business in a profession that deals with anything related to other people's bodies.
So, yes, they're ALL bad pre-professional adults stuck in pre-pubescence. And, for the most part, society (in my view) is much to blame and so is each individual involved.
With the glamorization of the drunken princess and the growing media-hyped lust-expectancy between (and sometimes amongst) guys, verdicts like these amount to faulty tourbillons pushing kids to committing such crimes rather than pushing kids away from them.
I wonder, after hearing the verdict, how many people actually took the time to say...women should not get drunk and think it's OK and safe. My guess is that everyone said "guys are bad and giving them a strong punishment will make other guys less inclined to commit such grievances," a statement that has been said time and time again and never to this day had much effect on reducing sex-related crimes in South Korea.
That whole "Crazy Korean Girl" 엽기적인 그녀 era has to be put away; being drunk and acting a fool IS NOT becoming of a lady. |
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