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nstick13
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| If I recall from earlier reading I did about this, there will be limits on how many of certain goods are allowed to be traded freely. For example, I think only 25,000 American cars will be allowed. I don't know what the final agreement looks like, though. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'd agree with those who think NAFTA was a loss for the U.S. For the environment as well.
Free trade can be great for the consumer and high tariffs can really do a number on the little guy, but if you lose your job in the process it doesn't matter much since you're not going to be consuming very much.
Personally, as closed as the Korean market is, I don't see why the U.S. had to make any concessions. They ought to figure out a way to open up off-base PXs, an Uncle Sam Costco if you will. Sell at a profit of course and defray some of those military costs.
I agree that theoretically it should make Korean corporations more competitive but as long as the won stays weak I wonder if that holds true. Also, they'll probably use it like the IMF crisis--an excuse to layoff employees. Besides they seem to be so busy thumping their chests these days, they may just assume it won't affect them.
As for cars, we'll see. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think anyone, even Lee Myungbak and Barrach Obama, know what is in this bill except the various trade representatives who actually wrote the bill but this is a few things I've heard which may affect us: |
This will definitely decrease most of the farmers' input in the South Korean market. 2MB (the SK president) is a disgrace of America and South Korea combined.
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| 3. American educational companies will have more open access to the Korean market. This will most likely change the way private education is done in Korea. The actual outcome of this I think is uncertain but it could mean that more and more English education will be done at American private schools with certified American teachers and less in Korean public schools and private academies (which will have to more and more specialize in test preperation). Possible additional fall out could be a much larger preference for licenced American teachers rather than Canadian, Australian etc... don't know but if American companies take a larger piece of the pie, it could. I also would expect wages to go down as more and more of these positions will be filled from people in America who have never been to Korea before but that is just speculation as well. |
The hagwon lobbies and the Christian private schools in this country will disagree with this statement. Cheaper books from the USA (novels, textboooks, etc) would be a possibility but the middlemen Korean importers will likely hike up the prices of American books for their own profit.
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| 5. Free economic zones, especailly around Incheon will be utilized more, increasing property prices in these new areas where the new businesses will most likely establish themselves due to their cheaper prices, tax incentives and non-Korean mindset about location, location, location. |
I don't think it's possible, consider intentional companies will never want to give up close distances to Seoul-based foreign embassies (for foreign office workers in Korea), COEX and the majority of business regulatory organizations. |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| For Korea, I wonder how happy the average farmer is about all the cheap American beef soon to flood its markets. Korean farmers will be unable to compete, and you'll see alot of them forced out of the business, just what happened with Mexican farmers. |
Well, Korea is the one who has been DUMPING cheap cars on North American markets for 2 decades now, while heavily taxing western cars. Can our workers compete, not really. But that's the nature of competition, it brings prices down for consumers.
About time Koreans got a taste of their own medicine. Here's some cheap beef, EAT UP. Economics 101 again, if you can't compete, change what you produce. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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For what it is worth, and I don't know how much it is, I remember reading (somewhere - sorry) that some private American schools are licking their chops at entering the "lucrative" Korean education market. I would guess the newness of these schools and the prestige they may carry may initially give them strong advantages in the market. I've heard (similar sources) that even American universities may want to open their own branch campuses in Korea and compete directly for Korean students.
If this does happen, and such schools bring American educators with American ideas on how to run schools, it could bring drastic changes to the Korean education system.
I would also suspect that the increased competition will lower prices and salaries, except for schools that can market themselves as elite.
Same thing with book sellers. First of all, books are going the way of the dodo. But, it will be much harder for book sellers to charge a premium for "imported" books.
I suspect that if new companies come to Korea, at least some, possibly many, will choose these FEZ (Free economic zones) where they can get tax breaks and purchase land cheap. I think the employees of these companies, likely Americans, won't mind comuting to and from Seoul, when they realize the costs. Think about how far people commute to New York or LA. Koreans seems much less willing to do it. American cities are spread out. Seoul is relatively packed in, and I suspect Westerners won't care whether they live in Gangnam or in their new, ultra-modern Western "ghettos" in a FEZ.
Anyway, I think it is still too early to say for certain what is going to happen. Like I posted earlier, I doubt Lee and Obama have even read the FTA in its entireity. (sp?) And, I am sure there are all sorts of unforseen effects from the new regulations. But, obviously, it should bring big changes. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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For what it is worth, and I don't know how much it is, I remember reading (somewhere - sorry) that some private American schools are licking their chops at entering the "lucrative" Korean education market. I would guess the newness of these schools and the prestige they may carry may initially give them strong advantages in the market. I've heard (similar sources) that even American universities may want to open their own branch campuses in Korea and compete directly for Korean students.
If this does happen, and such schools bring American educators with American ideas on how to run schools, it could bring drastic changes to the Korean education system.
I would also suspect that the increased competition will lower prices and salaries, except for schools that can market themselves as elite.
Same thing with book sellers. First of all, books are going the way of the dodo. But, it will be much harder for book sellers to charge a premium for "imported" books.
I suspect that if new companies come to Korea, at least some, possibly many, will choose these FEZ (Free economic zones) where they can get tax breaks and purchase land cheap. I think the employees of these companies, likely Americans, won't mind comuting to and from Seoul, when they realize the costs. Think about how far people commute to New York or LA. Koreans seems much less willing to do it. American cities are spread out. Seoul is relatively packed in, and I suspect Westerners won't care whether they live in Gangnam or in their new, ultra-modern Western "ghettos" in a FEZ.
Anyway, I think it is still too early to say for certain what is going to happen. Like I posted earlier, I doubt Lee and Obama have even read the FTA in its entireity. (sp?) And, I am sure there are all sorts of unforseen effects from the new regulations. But, obviously, it should bring big changes. |
Yes, American universities are opening overseas branches so I can see that happening here, but why do you think this is going to bring prices down? These are private universities looking to make money, not missionaries.
Book prices may go down, especially on the older books that are usually sold at Korean bookstores. But just released books might become more available and those will probably still be expensive. Think of how publishers control the prices of e-books.
Plenty of Koreans commute. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I will be similar to the European trade agreement........ nothing will happen they have no idea what's going on. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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It is a general principle of free trade agreements that increased competition tends to bring down prices and often salaries in such industries lower salaries.
But, who knows? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Government sanction "free" trade agreements are not free trade. But I do hope lower priced foreign goods will force Korean competitors to lower their prices. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Government sanction "free" trade agreements are not free trade. But I do hope lower priced foreign goods will force Korean competitors to lower their prices. |
Obviously, there is no such thing as completely free trade; it's all a matter of degree with some countries being more open to foreign trade than others.
Hopefully lower prices, but also higher quality. That's what to me is most annoying--high prices with mediocre quality and few choices. I don't like paying for what I'm not getting.
I think, as someone already mentioned, that drug prices could go up. European pharmaceuticals have already said they're going to press the issue regarding getting their drugs on the government's list and on enforcing their intellectual property rights. But this would also give access to a wider range of drugs, hopefully improving medical care. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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The nature of trade is that of course some industries will be hurt by imports, while others will be strengthened by the increased exports. There is not a single country in the world that trades and does not suffer at least some type of loss in one sector. The gains however are to the overall welfare of the nation (consumers) are at least supposed to be larger than the losses in various other sectors.
In the case of Korea however, I do not see huge losses to the Korean farmer. Korea already produces rice at a surplus level, so much to a point that I believe it was last year the government had rice rotting in storage because so much more was produced that even after domestic consumption, exports, and food aid to the north...there was STILL to much. However the Korean government was very adamant about not including rice in this deal.
But on to the Korean cattle farmer, although it is good for consumers, I cannot imagine huge losses to the Korean farmers in the beef market. Korean beef is already 300-400% more expensive than imported, and yet Koreans happily and readily choose it over imports. The beef industry here has done a fantastic job over the years to convince Koreans that Korean beef tastes better, better for your body, one of a kind most delicious beef in the world, and all the other psychological factors that drive costumers to choose it over imports. As mentioned earlier it will take 15 years for US beef tariff reductions to be completed, and even after the 40% tariff is reduced, it is not as if consumers on the end will ever see that beef 40% cheaper. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
The nature of trade is that of course some industries will be hurt by imports, while others will be strengthened by the increased exports. There is not a single country in the world that trades and does not suffer at least some type of loss in one sector. The gains however are to the overall welfare of the nation (consumers) are at least supposed to be larger than the losses in various other sectors.
In the case of Korea however, I do not see huge losses to the Korean farmer. Korea already produces rice at a surplus level, so much to a point that I believe it was last year the government had rice rotting in storage because so much more was produced that even after domestic consumption, exports, and food aid to the north...there was STILL to much. However the Korean government was very adamant about not including rice in this deal.
But on to the Korean cattle farmer, although it is good for consumers, I cannot imagine huge losses to the Korean farmers in the beef market. Korean beef is already 300-400% more expensive than imported, and yet Koreans happily and readily choose it over imports. The beef industry here has done a fantastic job over the years to convince Koreans that Korean beef tastes better, better for your body, one of a kind most delicious beef in the world, and all the other psychological factors that drive costumers to choose it over imports. As mentioned earlier it will take 15 years for US beef tariff reductions to be completed, and even after the 40% tariff is reduced, it is not as if consumers on the end will ever see that beef 40% cheaper. |
What keeps the price of Korean rice so high is there is oversupply? Just the belief that it is somehow better? |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
The nature of trade is that of course some industries will be hurt by imports, while others will be strengthened by the increased exports. There is not a single country in the world that trades and does not suffer at least some type of loss in one sector. The gains however are to the overall welfare of the nation (consumers) are at least supposed to be larger than the losses in various other sectors.
In the case of Korea however, I do not see huge losses to the Korean farmer. Korea already produces rice at a surplus level, so much to a point that I believe it was last year the government had rice rotting in storage because so much more was produced that even after domestic consumption, exports, and food aid to the north...there was STILL to much. However the Korean government was very adamant about not including rice in this deal.
But on to the Korean cattle farmer, although it is good for consumers, I cannot imagine huge losses to the Korean farmers in the beef market. Korean beef is already 300-400% more expensive than imported, and yet Koreans happily and readily choose it over imports. The beef industry here has done a fantastic job over the years to convince Koreans that Korean beef tastes better, better for your body, one of a kind most delicious beef in the world, and all the other psychological factors that drive costumers to choose it over imports. As mentioned earlier it will take 15 years for US beef tariff reductions to be completed, and even after the 40% tariff is reduced, it is not as if consumers on the end will ever see that beef 40% cheaper. |
What keeps the price of Korean rice so high is there is oversupply? Just the belief that it is somehow better? |
I have wondered this myself, and while I have no figures to back it up, it is my belief that the price seem high because of the subsidies Korea farmers get from the government. Trade figures and economics graphs are great at measuring raw data, hard numbers...but they cannot measure things like national sentiment. It seems illogical that a staple food that is plentiful, is eaten 3 times a day by an entire nation of people costs as much as it does.
So I believe the government (and people) are very willing to pay higher prices (either by subsidizing farm production, restricting urban development to preserve farm land, or consumers who pay higher prices) for their own goods because Korea is a country rapidly changing, and while most are eager to jump on the globalization train, there is still a small part of the heart of many Korean people that want to preserve their history and agrarian culture by keeping Korean farmers producing and in business, even at the cost of higher prices. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010 Location: kOREA
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: |
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The nature of trade is that of course some industries will be hurt by imports, while others will be strengthened by the increased exports. There is not a single country in the world that trades and does not suffer at least some type of loss in one sector. The gains however are to the overall welfare of the nation (consumers) are at least supposed to be larger than the losses in various other sectors.
In the case of Korea however, I do not see huge losses to the Korean farmer. Korea already produces rice at a surplus level, so much to a point that I believe it was last year the government had rice rotting in storage because so much more was produced that even after domestic consumption, exports, and food aid to the north...there was STILL to much. However the Korean government was very adamant about not including rice in this deal.
But on to the Korean cattle farmer, although it is good for consumers, I cannot imagine huge losses to the Korean farmers in the beef market. Korean beef is already 300-400% more expensive than imported, and yet Koreans happily and readily choose it over imports. The beef industry here has done a fantastic job over the years to convince Koreans that Korean beef tastes better, better for your body, one of a kind most delicious beef in the world, and all the other psychological factors that drive costumers to choose it over imports. As mentioned earlier it will take 15 years for US beef tariff reductions to be completed, and even after the 40% tariff is reduced, it is not as if consumers on the end will ever see that beef 40% cheaper. |
I've seen a few butcher shops and kimbabp places that switched over to American meat due to costs.
I live in a area with alot of exotic car dealerships and mod shops(not apgu) and the american cars are selling and driving off the lots. Despite the fact that american cars have horrible reps. They're not even nice american cars....cheap ass chevy. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: |
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I have also noticed this. Since the bailout of the big 3 US automakers, every GM/Daewoo facility that was located in the city is now a Chevy.
I am not sure why either, but I have seen young Korean guys driving Korean models who have glued on Chevy emblems to their cars~
I cant help but laugh about that..kind of the same laugh I have when I see rich ajussis impressing each other with Budweiser. |
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