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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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I was sweating bullets. I had an arrest right after my 18th birthday but I was innocent. Dropped, didnt go to trial or anything. Wrong guy. I lived in a large city and the precinct closed down, the arresting officer has long since retired. It never made it to the main computer. A cop friend it probably ended up in some box somewhere gathering dust or thrown out when the precinct closed and merged with another.
I assume for those that were kicked out, there are teaching options in other countries. Many countries mirror whatever Korea does but I'm sure there are countries desperate enough that it won't matter. I assme but not 100% sure China, Japan and Taiwan does. Those countries as well as Vietnam offer a reasonable salary. Middle east maybe? |
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jamesd
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| If you have a record, go find another profession. |
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hagwonnewbie
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| jamesd wrote: |
| If you have a record, go find another profession. |
I'm guessing you're white. |
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Riker
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| hagwonnewbie wrote: |
| jamesd wrote: |
| If you have a record, go find another profession. |
I'm guessing you're white. |
I don't get it.
Anyway, I was hoping to get some more first hand accounts of how the FBI check has forced people out, or to go to extreme measures. |
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hagwonnewbie
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Most white guys don't realize that most black guys have a mark on their record. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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I new a guy that had a PI charge (public intoxication) when he was in university. Something, that here is not only tolerated, but encouraged.
He was dead set on coming back to Korea no matter what. I think he had a gf and while they were really serious, they weren't to the engagement and marriage stage yet.
Anyway, he beat it like this. He went home shortly after his current E2 visa ended. He legally changed his name. Nothing dramatic, he just moved his middle name to his first and his first to his middle. Kind of like "William Thomas Riker" to "Thomas William Riker." He had to be issued a new drivers license, new social security number, and a new passport. He applied for a job in Korea as if it was his first time and told recruiters he'd never been here before. Crim check was clean and he got a new visa.
That's commitment right there. |
Wouldn't your record still come up if you do an FBI check? |
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Riker
Joined: 28 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| hagwonnewbie wrote: |
| Most white guys don't realize that most black guys have a mark on their record. |
No, I assume most black guys have marks on their records.
I always attributed it to being racist though, but now I know better.
I'm being sarcastic by the way. And no, I didn't know that most black guys have marks on their records. Is this an actual reliable statistic or your own anecdotal experience? |
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weso1
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| weso1 wrote: |
I new a guy that had a PI charge (public intoxication) when he was in university. Something, that here is not only tolerated, but encouraged.
He was dead set on coming back to Korea no matter what. I think he had a gf and while they were really serious, they weren't to the engagement and marriage stage yet.
Anyway, he beat it like this. He went home shortly after his current E2 visa ended. He legally changed his name. Nothing dramatic, he just moved his middle name to his first and his first to his middle. Kind of like "William Thomas Riker" to "Thomas William Riker." He had to be issued a new drivers license, new social security number, and a new passport. He applied for a job in Korea as if it was his first time and told recruiters he'd never been here before. Crim check was clean and he got a new visa.
That's commitment right there. |
Wouldn't your record still come up if you do an FBI check? |
Finger prints aren't a great source to verify identity. The lines are remarkably similar. Thought not identical, I think there is something like a 75 or 80% commonality among everyone's fingerprints. It can be very difficult to match up a set of fingerprints. Don't let crime scene shows fool you, the computers and software that run them are terribly slow and inaccurate. CSI Miami has greatly distorted how reliable fingerprints actually are. So much so, fingerprints alone are not enough to convict someone of murder.
What police keep secret is that when they "run" someone's fingerprints, they're also running a number of other factors as well. Age, height, weight, race, gender, location, history, and name. Usually a print report will come back with 8 or 10 possible matches. They then run those matches against the other factors I listed above and that's how they come up with a "match." So, for example, if they take fingerprints at a breaking and entering scene, run them and get 3 matches - one being a little old retired lady, the other of a guy living 300 miles away, and the last of a guy in town who has been arrested for stealing a car - they go get that guy, even though the fingerprint report says all 3 candidates were equally probable matches.
So, if it's been several years since your arrest and you've been out of the country for a while, plus you change you location in the US and name and other other identifying information - it's possible you can fall through the cracks. The only way to get a solid confirmation of identity using prints is for a trained print professional to sit down and look at each set through special magnifying glasses and make sure he can get near perfect matches among all 20 prints (10 from before and 10 from now.) Frankly, most law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, just don't have the money, manpower, or resources to do that for every print request. They will do that if they're trying to nail a terrorist or high profile murder. But for English teachers in Korea, we just get "run" through the system.
Another hint: because of the recent surge in fingerprint requests because of the new E2 visa rules, the FBI hasn't been able to keep up with it all. They were already understaffed and on a shoe string budget. The government wants them to focus on catching jihadists and major drug and gun runners. Running a single set of prints can tie up their system for hours at a time. So when the 3 month deadline is coming up and they have a stack of E2 prints to go through, a lot of times they just run the social security number, which takes about 5 seconds. Now, that's not super common and may only happen for a few hundred people a year, but it does happen. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Kind of like "William Thomas Riker" to "Thomas William Riker."
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LOL at this one.
Maybe they could get an article published in the Korea Times about transporter malfunctions and get off that way..."It was my nefarious twin that highjacked the U.S.S. Defiant, not me! That carjacking and weapons charge shouldn't be on my record!" |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Riker wrote: |
| I was hoping to get some more first hand accounts of how the FBI check has forced people out, or to go to extreme measures. |
Well, I can't say the results of the FBI check has made me leave/kept me out, but I can definitely say the waiting time has done a number on me.
I almost had the check ready before the end of my contract last July, but it came a couple weeks after my contract had finished (and ARC had expired). So had to come back to the US.
I was going to apply in the fall for hagwons but couldn't find any decent ones. It was too late to apply for EPIK for fall, so am now applying for spring...but of course, the FBI check I have now will expire too soon. So, I'm now waiting for another one...which may barely make it.
In the end, what was supposed to be a 5 week turnaround is becoming more of a 6 month turnaround. But the extended vacation has been nice. 
It's party bad planning (or timing) on my part, but really, I think the FBI needs to get its what-have-you together. How come the other countries aren't taking so long to get their checks done? |
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jamesd
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| hagwonnewbie wrote: |
| Most white guys don't realize that most black guys have a mark on their record. |
I had no idea. I guess that's why we have "caucasians only" thread. |
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hagwonnewbie
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Riker wrote: |
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| Most white guys don't realize that most black guys have a mark on their record. |
No, I assume most black guys have marks on their records.
I always attributed it to being racist though, but now I know better.
I'm being sarcastic by the way. And no, I didn't know that most black guys have marks on their records. Is this an actual reliable statistic or your own anecdotal experience? |
OK.The statement I made wasn't true. However it is true that most young black males in most American cities have at least an arrest record.
If you look at a city like Chicago, most black men are convicted felons, which is a lot more serious. Not only does it mean you can't come to Kimchi land and play apologist, it means you're pretty fcked for life and completely disenfranchised from society (Can't vote, can't get a job, can't even buy a firearm to protect your family.
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(2009 - incarceration rates for people of color) "Mass arrests and incarceration of people of color � largely due to drug law violations46 � have hobbled families and communities by stigmatizing and removing substantial numbers of men and women. In the late 1990s, nearly one in three African-American men aged 20-29 were under criminal justice supervision, 47 while more than two out of five had been incarcerated � substantially more than had been incarcerated a decade earlier and orders of magnitudes higher than that for the general population.48 Today, 1 in 15 African-American children and 1 in 42 Latino children have a parent in prison, compared to 1 in 111 white children.49 In some areas, a large majority of African-American men � 55 percent in Chicago, for example50 � are labeled felons for life, and, as a result, may be prevented from voting and accessing public housing, student loans and other public assistance."
Source: "Drug Courts Are Not the Answer: Toward a Health-Centered Approach to Drug Use" Drug Policy Alliance (New York, NY: March 2011), p. 9.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/DrugCourtsAreNottheAnswer.pdf |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| isitts wrote: |
| How come the other countries aren't taking so long to get their checks done? |
I think it's primarily due to our federalist system. In other countries, a local police station can tap into a national database check your records, and any infractions you make in your municipality would enter that same database, so issuing a "national criminal record check" can be done at thousands of offices all over a country like Canada or Britain. In the states, however, an office in your home state cannot verify what may have happened in any other state, so in order to get a national check, you have to do it with the only national criminal records office in a country with 330 million people. |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:05 am Post subject: |
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I new a guy that had a PI charge (public intoxication) when he was in university.
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He legally changed his name. ..................
He applied for a job in Korea as if it was his first time and told recruiters he'd never been here before. Crim check was clean and he got a new visa.
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This fellow believes in ends justifies the means and that his sense of justice overrides both Korea's and the USA's. I would not like such a lawless selfish person to teach my kids.
On the other hand, the nefarious and much abused- even as I write?- Christopher Thailand Jail criminal would have had a clean record to come here too. So, I suppose just because you act like a party boy drunk in university does not mean you are a force of evil. The swimming pool jump trespassing charge is an act I might even be familiar with as Tom sawyer would approve of such action. But, being so selfish and careless to drive drunk is the mark of a thoughtless and reckless person who I would not entrust to care for children.
The USA FBI is a relic of Hoover probably the most powerful and insidious forces of US government, the FBI can take their sweet time serving the citizens wanting checks because there is no one with power over them to correct them.
THe USA FBI/Foriegn affairs/Korean Embassy need to get together and agree to INTERNALLY exchange info on applicants FBI checks. That way the Korean Embassy can get a FAX/Email directly from the FBI they can print that out put a stamp on it and Walla you avoid the Long FBI check and the stupid raised stamp notary apostlelle nonsense too.
......................Off topic but...I know of know one else besides myself who got away with taunting FBI field agents. Of course at the time they were on Camp Pendeleton training in the MOUNT faculty and I obviously was the fattest USMC NCO house to house fighting cowboy ever- but that has little to do with the record check question.
I myself laugh at these FBI checks as my record always returns clean as a fresh square of rice cake.
(In truth any authority who pulls my files up later gets a visit from the CIA seeing as how I am a supa supa undercover agent here protecting the intangible assets of Korean Kim Chi production- the Homeland security guys always get nervous and turn red after they punch in my passport number- their computer screen flashes and it says, "007 Kim Chi Agent! Expedite and assist at once!"). |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| weso1 wrote: |
I new a guy that had a PI charge (public intoxication) when he was in university. Something, that here is not only tolerated, but encouraged.
He was dead set on coming back to Korea no matter what. I think he had a gf and while they were really serious, they weren't to the engagement and marriage stage yet.
Anyway, he beat it like this. He went home shortly after his current E2 visa ended. He legally changed his name. Nothing dramatic, he just moved his middle name to his first and his first to his middle. Kind of like "William Thomas Riker" to "Thomas William Riker." He had to be issued a new drivers license, new social security number, and a new passport. He applied for a job in Korea as if it was his first time and told recruiters he'd never been here before. Crim check was clean and he got a new visa.
That's commitment right there. |
Changing ones' name does not matter...can't change fingerprints which is what the FBI wants....unless you're in a country that only runs name checks.... |
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