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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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 Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Shouldn't they be speaking English to you? Why worry about what they say in Korean, except to think how you can get them to say it in English? |
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In an imaginary world not akin to the real one perhaps.
The reality is they constantly talk in Korean despite being asked not to.
And you're saying if you understood enough Korean and a kid called you a ship sekki, pabbo ddong kkae, pyeonshin waygoon wannamin etc it honeslty would bother you? |
Haha, your Korean sucks so hard it hurts.
Be good to your students, they've made much more progress than you and you're surrounded by Korean 24/7.
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cheolsu
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Several years ago (2006), when I was new to Korea and spoke only a few words of the language, students in the elementary school I worked at would sometimes greet me with a (friendly-sounding) "안영 (my name) teacher!"
I'd ask my main co-teacher if this was rude of the student, but he always said it wasn't. I know better now, but does anyone have a theory as to why he said it was okay? It still puzzles me when I think about it. |
He probably didn't want to start something. Call him a weasel if you want or call him lazy if you want, but no child should be speaking to an adult, much less a teacher, in that way. It's clear-cut and there's no situation where it's acceptable.
I speak Korean but I only teach and accept answers in English, except when dealing with the lowest level of students. That said, if a high-level student has a complicated question about a test that they can only express in Korean, I'm not going to be a jerk and insist on English. As well, children can and do speak to me outside of class, often in Korean, given that they're human beings. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Several years ago (2006), when I was new to Korea and spoke only a few words of the language, students in the elementary school I worked at would sometimes greet me with a (friendly-sounding) "�ȿ� (my name) teacher!"
I'd ask my main co-teacher if this was rude of the student, but he always said it wasn't. I know better now, but does anyone have a theory as to why he said it was okay? It still puzzles me when I think about it. |
Pretty obvious no? Just another way to show that you are a rung below them. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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I'd ask my main co-teacher if this was rude of the student, but he always said it wasn't. I know better now, but does anyone have a theory as to why he said it was okay? It still puzzles me when I think about it. |
Sometimes when Koreans feel chummy or particularly close with you, they can use banmal to indicate that familiarity.
From wiki:
"It is common to see younger people talk to their older relatives with ban-mal (반말). This is not out of disrespect, but instead it shows the intimacy and the closeness of the relationship between the two speakers. Transformations in social structures and attitudes in today's rapidly changing society have brought about change in the way people speak." |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Shouldn't they be speaking English to you? Why worry about what they say in Korean, except to think how you can get them to say it in English? |
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In an imaginary world not akin to the real one perhaps.
The reality is they constantly talk in Korean despite being asked not to.
And you're saying if you understood enough Korean and a kid called you a ship sekki, pabbo ddong kkae, pyeonshin waygoon wannamin etc it honeslty would bother you? |
I ask you kaesekkis (It's ok if I say it right?) once again if this wouldn't pee you off. |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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What really matters is motivation. I think you are looking at things on the surface and saying "these kids are disrespecting me" - when in reality they actually doing what they think is logical to help you understand.
Foreigners in Korea are always freaking out about kids using 반말 with them. But, when you observe these foreigners, most of them have a very low, abysmal level of Korean. They are mad because they don't hear many "요" at the end of sentences. They probably don't fully understand what was actually said to them.
Most Koreans are shocked when I reveal to them that I understand them when they use 존댓말. Most of them use 존댓말 once they know this.
Maybe try asking politely that they use 존댓말?
Edit: So, I talked to the owner of the coffee shop I am in and one of his employees. His and her opinion is that it is very disrespectful and they shouldn't be using 반말 with you. But, he says that they are kids and probably think they can get away with it or don't realize it is wrong. So, he recommended the same thing that I did: "tell them to use 존댓말." He doesn't think it is because they think you are a lower form of life though. So, he changed my mind a bit... I never take it that seriously... but maybe I should start taking it a little more seriously. Still, I don't think the kids hate me or something.
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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What really matters is motivation. I think you are looking at things on the surface and saying "these kids are disrespecting me" - when in reality they actually doing what they think is logical to help you understand.
Foreigners in Korea are always freaking out about kids using �ݸ� with them. But, when you observe these foreigners, most of them have a very low, abysmal level of Korean. They are mad because they don't hear many "��" at the end of sentences. They probably don't fully understand what was actually said to them.
Most Koreans are shocked when I reveal to them that I understand them when they use ����. Most of them use ���� once they know this.
Maybe try asking politely that they use ����? |
This is just a common excuse that they are taught to use if ever in this situation. |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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This is just a common excuse that they are taught to use if ever in this situation. |
I never heard this excuse from a Korean. I was just trying to come up with a more rational reason that they would do this than: "All the kids at my school are trying to disrespect me."
Read my edit to the last post. I changed my mind a little. Koreans also think it is wrong (sample size of two...). They didn't really know what the motivation would be though. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
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This is just a common excuse that they are taught to use if ever in this situation. |
I never heard this excuse from a Korean. I was just trying to come up with a more rational reason that they would do this than: "All the kids at my school are trying to disrespect me."
Read my edit to the last post. I changed my mind a little. Koreans also think it is wrong (sample size of two...). They didn't really know what the motivation would be though. |
Really? Ive heard it quite a few times, not from kids but from adults. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Shouldn't they be speaking English to you? Why worry about what they say in Korean, except to think how you can get them to say it in English? |
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In an imaginary world not akin to the real one perhaps.
The reality is they constantly talk in Korean despite being asked not to.
And you're saying if you understood enough Korean and a kid called you a ship sekki, pabbo ddong kkae, pyeonshin waygoon wannamin etc it honeslty would bother you? |
Haha, your Korean sucks so hard it hurts.
Be good to your students, they've made much more progress than you and you're surrounded by Korean 24/7.
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1. No on all points.
2. Go troll someone else. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Not tollin mate. Your Korean sucks. Also I question anyone's abilities not only to teach but to be an adult amongst children if they can not effectively manage their behavior. Coming on a message board and bemoaning that children are hurting your feelings and as an adult you lack the ability to deal with the situation is sad indeed.
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iRock
Joined: 08 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:36 am Post subject: |
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i nipped that in the bud with my students the first day. banmal? write 100 times i won't speak banmal to the teacher. one student did it and the rest learned from that example
cursing? discipline room |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| "I don't speak Korean. Say it in English." |
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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| Shouldn't they be speaking English to you? Why worry about what they say in Korean, except to think how you can get them to say it in English? |
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In an imaginary world not akin to the real one perhaps.
The reality is they constantly talk in Korean despite being asked not to.
And you're saying if you understood enough Korean and a kid called you a ship sekki, pabbo ddong kkae, pyeonshin waygoon wannamin etc it honeslty would bother you? |
It would matter, in the same way that insulting me in English would matter, but that is more of a classroom management issue than anything else. TBH it has never happened to me. |
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