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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My coteacher is great at controlling the kids and there is never a problem... until the camera is on her. She will then just stand there with this retarded fixed grin while the kids do all sorts and I'm left fuming because it's like she's deliberately screwing up the open class. I can't understand it at all

I never yell at my elementary school kids because all my classes are co taught (my middle school kids get it though) but next time if this happens again they are getting shouted at- camera or no camera, and it'll all be my co-t's fault Mad
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working title



Joined: 20 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open Classes for RE-CONTRACTING are a SHAM.

Open classes are evaluated by a P, VP or KETs from another school within your district. Your school/KET will contact these "evaluators" before your open class. They will discuss with the "evaluators" whether or not they want to keep you on for the next year. Based on how your current school feels about you, your score is already predetermined. The evaluators will give you this predetermined score on the day of your open class.

Note: I'm not saying that they will all agree on an exact score, but rather a score to be given according to some guidelines. They will fail you (getting less than a 70%) if your school does not want to keep you. They will give you an 80% if your school wants you to do better (indirect way of giving you criticism as your school is not directly criticizing you) and if you do well (in the 90's), then you're flying high and have no worries.

This system is not set up for us to be in a position of power. This system serves them.

I've obtained this information from a very reliable source.

Let's not forget . . .

CONFUCIUS's RULE:

If your school likes you then you are "in." The most important aspect of working in a Korean public school is being able to work harmoniously with your co-workers/the group. This goes above and beyond your teaching ability. Focus more on your work relationships than on your teaching.

P.S.
If someone isn't renewed at their school, then they might have screwed up somewhere big time. This is a time for self-reflection, rather than a time to play the blame game. If everyone follows CONFUCIUS's RULE, then everyone should be able to renew / re-contract.
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Airborne9



Joined: 01 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told with limited funds with GEPIK the "open class" is another way of deciding who they are going to give funds to. I dont know if this is actually true or not.

But as I said in another tread here, The open classes are for the most part pointless. Even if you plan it like any normal class you'll probably get criticised for not playing enough games not preparing fantastic Michael Bay style slides. Also in terms of GEPIK I think its becoming a show off ground for KETs who are trying to impress anyone who is there from the local education office.
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brickabrack



Joined: 17 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

working title wrote:

CONFUCIUS's RULE:

If your school likes you then you are "in." The most important aspect of working in a Korean public school is being able to work harmoniously with your co-workers/the group. This goes above and beyond your teaching ability. Focus more on your work relationships than on your teaching.

P.S.
If someone isn't renewed at their school, then they might have screwed up somewhere big time. This is a time for self-reflection, rather than a time to play the blame game. If everyone follows CONFUCIUS's RULE, then everyone should be able to renew / re-contract.


This^^^ this this.
Kind of seems like common sense, though. If you don't have common sense....ingrain this somewhere for easy access.
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english puppet



Joined: 04 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I had my open class. It wasn't technically for re-contracting as far as I know.

I don't know what actual "score" I received but the vice principle said "nice job". Following that I was criticized for small fonts and and a couple of other point that were so impossible to decode from the bad English it's anyone's guess.

My favorite line from the whole follow up meeting was "you know, education is not fun". Certainly wouldn't confuse fun with teaching in Korea....just couldn't.

I'd never re-sign in Korea after two years of bizarreness. It's hard to take the system here seriously at this point.

I recently went to a "demo" class in our district. It was funny as there were a number of foreigners there. Not one of them would touch an evaluation sheet.......the Korean teachers were all smiles and giggles at every pre-programmed moment. The perfect education hologram.
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english puppet



Joined: 04 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="brickabrack"]
working title wrote:

CONFUCIUS's RULE:

If someone isn't renewed at their school, then they might have screwed up somewhere big time. This is a time for self-reflection, rather than a time to play the blame game.



I'm not arguing with you specifically - I get what I think is your point.

I guess I'd add that this is a time to realize that none of this really matters anywhere but in Korea. Seriously, I've worked in other countries and none of this matters anywhere else accept I'm guessing maybe Japan.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brickabrack wrote:
working title wrote:

CONFUCIUS's RULE:

If someone isn't renewed at their school, then they might have screwed up somewhere big time. This is a time for self-reflection, rather than a time to play the blame game.

I'm not arguing with you specifically - I get what I think is your point.

I guess I'd add that this is a time to realize that none of this really matters anywhere but in Korea. Seriously, I've worked in other countries and none of this matters anywhere else accept I'm guessing maybe Japan.

Actually it does matter in large part of Asia, if not all.
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english puppet



Joined: 04 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
brickabrack wrote:
working title wrote:

CONFUCIUS's RULE:

If someone isn't renewed at their school, then they might have screwed up somewhere big time. This is a time for self-reflection, rather than a time to play the blame game.

I'm not arguing with you specifically - I get what I think is your point.

I guess I'd add that this is a time to realize that none of this really matters anywhere but in Korea. Seriously, I've worked in other countries and none of this matters anywhere else accept I'm guessing maybe Japan.

Actually it does matter in large part of Asia, if not all.


Well, I admit "none of this" is a bit broad, I've corresponded with quite a few people who were very happy to leave the issues in Korea behind. I haven't worked in "all" of Asia either but the tone and type of things people deal with and post about in say China seem different than the board here. Have to admit, I'm not keeping a database of the issues - just an impression.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The open class I did for my school was with the 3rd grade students after they finished their tests, 50% of them didn't even have pens, non of them were interested whatsoever.... neither was I to tell the truth, it was sprung on me in the morning and done by the afternoon I went through the motions and got 100% because they liked me.

The only reason I had to do it was administration purposes.

You will know much before your open class if you will fail it or not.
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english puppet



Joined: 04 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malislamusrex wrote:
The open class I did for my school was with the 3rd grade students after they finished their tests, 50% of them didn't even have pens, non of them were interested whatsoever.... neither was I to tell the truth, it was sprung on me in the morning and done by the afternoon I went through the motions and got 100% because they liked me.

The only reason I had to do it was administration purposes.

You will know much before your open class if you will fail it or not.


Open classes are strange stuff to say the least.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koreatimes wrote:
Here's my history.

2003 - Worked for Nova in Japan. My observers/trainers would sit me down at a table and ask, "So, how did the class go? How did you do?" There was absolutely no advice, no help, etc... I was asked to sign a new contract with a lower salary.

2008 - I was working at a GEPIK public school, and during a class the principal and about 6 other people walked in. I noticed them, "OMG, ok ok, just continue..."

2009 - I taught 3 or 4 open classes one day. The first one was with the youngest and they didn't want to participate. Other than that, it was ok. Parents sympathized with me and made some requests. I was told the following month when a manager observed me that it seemed completely different and I had done a much better job.

2011 - I was asked to give a demo at my current school. The class I taught preferred me over another teacher they said, so I was hired.

It seems logical that I did better this year than in 2003, but still have no idea what Nova wanted me to do that I wasn't doing. I left after 3 months and worked at a smaller company for 3.5 years and never had any problems.

Push to get feedback so you can discern what needs to be improved.


On a teaching Diploma, which I've just gained you have a lesson on each school placement fully observed. Two to five pages of notes, written as a running commentary. There were things that I'd done well and things that I hadn't and the reasons for them. My performance was analysed in terms of about 25 different variables and notes recorded for each. I've never learned so much in my life.

This was after eight years teaching ESL in Korea.
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ProsePech



Joined: 24 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:13 pm    Post subject: Open Class Reply with quote

2003-2005 Also worked for Nova. Had great staff and was taught what to do for each part of a lesson and had feedback every few months. Was given an AT position at the end of one year after moving to Kobe and had my own school basically in Itayado for 6 months when I had to then give feedback to teachers there.

2005-06 Korea. Hagwan. No feedback. No open class. I had to push for extra training for new teachers who felt like they were being left to fail. Did have sessions with trainers with Oxford and Haughten Mifflin who were excellent but they couldn't watch us, only give us some tips for the classroom.

2006-2007 Spain/TEFL. Learned a few things from my business TEFL advisor but basically I could have taught the entire class on kids having had taught already for 3 years and the instructor had no idea how to teach classes of children, only single child tutoring or adults training.

2007-2009 hagwan, no open class. Was told to do KOTESL seminars for all teachers, then our boss hated every idea we came back with leaving us wondering why we were sent in the first place.

2009 - present. Immersion school. team leader for grade 3. Open class every year. I invite teachers to come look at lessons I use if they need ideas. I ask for feedback from trained teachers( I am not one). I try to give ideas to teachers who could use some new ideas.
We've asked to be taped so new teachers coming in know what the admin is looking for and to improve ourselves.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chachee99 wrote:
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I completely agree with you. Sometimes the students get away with a lot that simply would not have been tollerated back in Canada. Maybe I am getting old, but if I ever said "f**k you" or show the middle finger to any of my teachers I would be in big trouble. However, sometimes the Korean co-teachers will defend the students claiming "they don't even know what it means."

Also, the parents don't seem to want to get involved in any incidents with their kids misbehaving. The mentality of if my son or daughter misbehaves, it is your responsibility to settle the issue. Completely backwards from education system back in Canada. I do give foreginers a lot of credit, they don't carry around wooden "love sticks" like some Korean teachers to straighten the student's attitudes.



I'm going to take a wild guess here and say you've never taught at a Canadian school.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open classes are a joke! I really dont know why they include foreigners in it since we really dont get an benefit from it. Its aimed at Korean teachers who strive for advancement and more pay. Foreign teachers dont get crap!! I have seen some horrible Korean teachers with years of experience doing open classes and nothing has happened to them. It's all more paperwork and following protocals. I never put much effort into them after my 2nd yr here. Now going on 8 years.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having never taught in a public school before, it's disheartening to read the comments here. "The whole thing is a sham." "Focus on your relationships more than your teaching."

*sigh*
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