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How does the FTA actually affect Korean healthcare?
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atwood



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
atwood wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
America has consisently proven how fair the free market is. For them anyway. Not so much for the little brown people who make their goods.

Who are these "little brown people" you speak of? Oompa loompas?


I was paraphrasing Bill Hicks, who used the term to describe the third world nations that the USA invade and exploit.

U.S. consumers have helped lift millions of them out of abject poverty.

Who is Bill Hicks?
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You never heard of Bill Hicks? Seriously? Look on Youtube. As for the comment about lifting people out of poverty, I'm not sure it's that simple. Third world sweatshops exist to keep rich countries happy. Have you read Confessions of an Economic Hitman? Fascinating read.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
You never heard of Bill Hicks? Seriously? Look on Youtube. As for the comment about lifting people out of poverty, I'm not sure it's that simple. Third world sweatshops exist to keep rich countries happy. Have you read Confessions of an Economic Hitman? Fascinating read.

Yes, I read that book.

Youtube? That's where you go for your information? No wonder you write things like "to keep rich countries happy."

As for your comment about it not "being that simple," if you're economically better off, you're economically better off. Then you can send your kids to school, they have better lives and so on and so on.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh? I was just saying you can find out who Bill Hicks is by using Youtube. You seem to be taking this a bit personally. Maybe you should try to be less defensive about this subject. I don't think it's a secret that the USA exploits weaker countries to serve their own interests.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Eh? I was just saying you can find out who Bill Hicks is by using Youtube. You seem to be taking this a bit personally. Maybe you should try to be less defensive about this subject. I don't think it's a secret that the USA exploits weaker countries to serve their own interests.

Not defensive, I just think you're relying on one-sided stereotypes to mis-characterize the U.S.'s relationship with other nations. And overlooking all that the U.S. has done for other nations.
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PeteJB



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Third world sweatshops exist to keep rich countries happy.


Money is money, and people are willing to work insane hours to get it. Sweatshops suck, but it's better than the alternative.

It's gotten better in recent years, especially in China. Still a long way to go, but people are taking notice of sweatshop working conditions nowdays and a lot of Western organizations are working to ensure things get better.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
You never heard of Bill Hicks? Seriously? Look on Youtube. As for the comment about lifting people out of poverty, I'm not sure it's that simple. Third world sweatshops exist to keep rich countries happy. Have you read Confessions of an Economic Hitman? Fascinating read.


A comedian who died of cancer before his career could really take off, and an atrocious book of terrible writing and questionable veracity. Ugh.
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FMPJ



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been a very crappy derail.
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Los Angeloser



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Left�s Absurd Lies about the ROK/FTA
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2011/11/123_98049.html
�One rumor argues that the FTA will wipe out Korean rice farmers and Korea will fall victim to big grain producers, although the rice market has already been opened in accordance with the multilateral agreement made under the supervision of the World Trade Organization.

Another claims that the FTA will push mad cow disease to immediate epidemic proportions; while firearm controls will be lifted, turning Korean streets into scenes of gun battles.

According to the messages on the KORUS FTA circulating on the Internet and SNS, Koreans will suffer from expensive medical bills, caused by privatization of medical services. Protests say, for example, patients will have to pay 9 million won for an appendectomy, up from currently 300,000 won, after the FTA takes effect.

In addition, they say that the FTA deal will raise public utility charges, as Bolivia faced after the FTA with the United States.
However, both rumors turned out to be false, as the medical sector is not included in the FTA, while Bolivia did not reach an agreement with the United States, according to the government.

The Democratic Labor Party came up with 12 poisonous articles on the FTA, while an opposition lawmaker cited the message that 15 Mexican delegates of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) were shot to death after the nation�s economic downfall following the FTA.�
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Medical equipment in Canada was not always the most modern either. But, I guess if it worked. I'm impressed by some doctors equipment. Some Korean doctor's offices, have lots of nice technology which Canadian doctors offices don't. In Canada, just a weight scale, stethoscope, and the arm band thing to take your blood pressure. Ohyeah, that light that looks into your ear. My old Korean doctor had the best set up. He had a digital little camera thing that looked into your throat and ears, his own x ray machine, a tube with a disposable mouth piece you could put around your mouth for breathing problems or allergies. (Pumped out some kind of steam that was good for you.) He had other sorts of equipment too.

As for after 7 pm, I agree that medical care in Korea diminishes. But in Canada, you'd have to go to outpatients at your local hospital where, you'd have a 4 or 5 or 6 hour wait overnight. Anyways, I do like the Korean health care system better than Canada's.
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Wildbore



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
Medical equipment in Canada was not always the most modern either. But, I guess if it worked. I'm impressed by some doctors equipment. Some Korean doctor's offices, have lots of nice technology which Canadian doctors offices don't. In Canada, just a weight scale, stethoscope, and the arm band thing to take your blood pressure. Ohyeah, that light that looks into your ear. My old Korean doctor had the best set up. He had a digital little camera thing that looked into your throat and ears, his own x ray machine, a tube with a disposable mouth piece you could put around your mouth for breathing problems or allergies. (Pumped out some kind of steam that was good for you.) He had other sorts of equipment too.

As for after 7 pm, I agree that medical care in Korea diminishes. But in Canada, you'd have to go to outpatients at your local hospital where, you'd have a 4 or 5 or 6 hour wait overnight. Anyways, I do like the Korean health care system better than Canada's.


At least in Korea you must pay a nominal fee to use the emergency room. In Ontario, the drunks/homeless just show up and sleep at the hospital (wasting valuable resources) because there is no user fee for this service.

The Canadian system is very good for the free-loaders.
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