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buster brown



Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you said "forced fun is not fun," but this is a case of "when in Rome." Don't peg me as an apologist, but I think this is intended to be a fun, team-building activity. I personally despise these things where you're up on stage doing something you're totally uncomfortable with...but as long as everyone in the school is doing it and the foreign teachers aren't being singled out, I'd probably just pick a song we could all sing and then do it. On the night of the dinner, it would be a big deal if you were all sitting there eating, drinking and partying it up but ended up being the only group who didn't do something on stage. I also would refuse to spend money on a costume, but it isn't a big deal to put together a song or skit and then perform it at the party.

I say suck it up and do it. You'll likely be all liquored up and it will be a big hit among your colleagues. If you end up not doing anything, it will be resented by everyone else and look like you're setting yourself above the group...and might actually lead to more demanding work conditions.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but this is a case of "when in Rome."


I am Rome, I am in me. Just because I enter another environment, that doesn't change who I am.
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cayce23



Joined: 19 Mar 2010
Location: Gwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no worries about losing the job. I have three months left on a contract renewed for 2 years total.

This is not a team building activity in the least. It's an entertainment show for our crazy, narcissistic boss. Last year, he rented a karaoke machine for the holiday party just so he could sing in front of us and hear how awesome he was (he wasn't.)

And yes, I know the Korean teachers hate it as much as we do. But they're happy to be carpets to be trampled upon constantly.

My main problem is the extra 5+ hours I'd have to be at work practicing while my co workers argue in Korean about whether to say "holiDAY" or "HOLiday." In one week, I'll have to be there 50+ hours a week anyway, and I'm not keen on starting early, especially since they won't even give us a one day break for Christmas. If I could get out of that, or they would be more efficient, I'd demean myself in order to avoid tension.
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jamasian



Joined: 01 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-_- No Christmas Day break even? I was with the
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when in rome
until that part. I'd say fine, give me a break or don't expect me for the party. If he was willing to fire you after the party you don't care right? So just say you won't be there and won't be working all those extra hours.
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drydell



Joined: 01 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

english puppet wrote:
You'd think a culture that so resented having another country's culture and language (Japanese) jammed down its throat would be just a tad more sensitive about forcing others to follow their culture. I guess I'm hoping for too much.


Are you comparing a bit of a mandatory drunken singsong at christmas (in their own country as well) to colonialism, mass rape, forcing an entire population to change their language+names to Japanese?
sorry but that did light up my apologist side!
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
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Foreigners never received permission to leave the country. So we had to reconcile ourselves to staying in this country for the rest of our lives.

To the custom of the country he invited us accordingly to amuse him with dancing, singing and clownish behavior. Though we fulfilled this obligation with little talent and as little enthusiasm, our performance was to the liking of the king and his court.


Hendrik Hamel, Seoul, 1653


Wow. But yeah, this is exactly what it is.

I would go, but just do something simple like sing Row Row Row Your Boat in a round. What you do doesn't matter, it's all about showing a willingness to do what you're told no matter how stupid or pointless. It's supposed to make you feel bad/inferior.

Now as to why I would do it, I wouldn't want the boss getting it in his head to mess around with my upcoming severance payment or make it difficult in other ways before I leave. It's a sick system, but you're in it for now. Play along but don't buy in.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A) Don't Go.
B) Get 3-4 groups going and have your boss vote on the best one and winner gets cash (might have to do a side bet). Make lemons out of lemonade.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Refusing to go to and perform at the company Christmas party is not going to win you any friends, but the forced rehearsals seem excessive to me as well. I'd say tell them you have something prepared already and that you and your foreign coworkers are practicing on your own time. Come showtime, sing a Christmas carol or two that you already know well.

Going to war over this sounds like it will probably be more trouble than it's worth. The party probably won't be much fun, but at least you'll get some free food (and booze?) and a story or two to tell.

Good luck, let us know how it turns out.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:

I would go, but just do something simple like sing Row Row Row Your Boat in a round. What you do doesn't matter, it's all about showing a willingness to do what you're told no matter how stupid or pointless. It's supposed to make you feel bad/inferior.

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So the whole point of inviting us over here to teach English to their children is to make you feel bad/inferior?

Wow...I thought I'd seen all the worst basher arguments...but this one takes the cake.

This is a team-building exercise...that's how they do it here. The fact that we (and I include myself in this "we") think it's stupid and pointless does not detract from the fact that it's not done for humiliation of the foreigner. If it were, only he would have to do something.
As a side note I agree with Mr. radcon's suggestion about involving the boss.
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I'm With You



Joined: 01 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is cult-like behavior.

Just say no if you don't want to do it.
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itistime



Joined: 23 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be a lil beach. Say, 'NO'.
Is it really that hard?
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
Find the quote about them being woken up at 3am to drink and party with the koreans.


Ok couldn't resist. I love that old story.^^ is this it?

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Actually most Koreans didn't think at all that we were ugly. They admired the whiteness of our skin. The possession of it is being regarded at as something desirable. In the beginning we couldn't show ourselves on the street or a crowd was following us, or people were surrounding us and were gaping at us. On the island Quelpaert we were much less hindered by that, though we also attracted a great deal of attention.

It came thus far that, at a certain night the mob broke into our bedrooms, in order to drag us, against our will, outside and made fun out of us. We lodged a complaint at our commander about this. He forbid anybody to harass us in any way. From that moment on we could move around freely, without causing the gathering of a crowd.
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duke of new york



Joined: 23 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just do the stupid little performance. It's not that big a deal, and it's not really anything more than you might be expected to do once or twice a year at a job in your home country, especially if you're an elementary school teacher. Seriously, if you think back to when you were in elementary school, I'm sure you can remember your teachers doing things like this that, in retrospect, it's probably pretty clear they didn't really want to do. And every office has stupid waste-of-time parties and events you have to go to occasionally when you're supposed to be off work. It's something we all have to deal with.

I wouldn't go to the practices, though. It's not OK for them to ask for that much of your time off the clock. Just make up something else you have to do at that time.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Draz wrote:

I would go, but just do something simple like sing Row Row Row Your Boat in a round. What you do doesn't matter, it's all about showing a willingness to do what you're told no matter how stupid or pointless. It's supposed to make you feel bad/inferior.

.


So the whole point of inviting us over here to teach English to their children is to make you feel bad/inferior?


No, the point of making all the employees sing a song together for the amusement of their boss is to make them feel bad/inferior.

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Wow...I thought I'd seen all the worst basher arguments...but this one takes the cake.

This is a team-building exercise...that's how they do it here. The fact that we (and I include myself in this "we") think it's stupid and pointless does not detract from the fact that it's not done for humiliation of the foreigner.


It has absolutely nothing to do with being foreign. In case you didn't notice, the Korean employees all have to do it too. It is the way it is done here but it has nothing to do with "team-building". It is meant to humiliate the underlings and keep them in their place. Korean culture revolves around bowing and scraping to your betters and crapping on everyone else and this is just another example of the forms that can take.
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thunderbird



Joined: 18 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

get so drunk ur passed out, cant sing then
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