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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
| The military will now be required to detain anyone the president deems a terrorist threat. Such "threats" in the past have included environmental activists, anti-war demonstrators, people against GMOs, animal rights supporters, anti-nuke activists, etc. |
FBI Says Activists Who Investigate Factory Farms Can Be Prosecuted as Terrorists
by WILL POTTER on DECEMBER 20, 2011
From Green is the New Red.
Vegetarians, get ready for Guantanamo. |
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Rahul0282
Joined: 20 Dec 2011
Location: India
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| I truly believe that it is against any Human Rights Law to detain a citizen of any country without trial! |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Haven't read the thread but the simple answer is NO.
This is a terrible law that could be the underpinnings of the end of the Republic. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| We are witnessing a gradual Fascist transformation in the USA. American Christian Socialists should do something to prevent this. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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The USA now joins Myanmar, Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea and Iran as some of the few remaining tyrannical countries on the planet.
Time for Americans to head for places where freedom actually exists (habeas corpus is still alive and well in the civilized world).
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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BO signed it!
What a schizo nut job. First, he refuses to support the bill without provisions for detaining Americans; then he adds a signing statement to say that he will not use it against Americans. It matters little. It is now law.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| This is pretty bad. But if Obama enforces the controversial detention portions of the law (and there's indications he won't), then the Supreme Court will likely strike it down. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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ACLU statement on Obama's signing of NDAA
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"President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,� said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU executive director. �The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield. The ACLU will fight worldwide detention authority wherever we can, be it in court, in Congress, or internationally."
"We are incredibly disappointed that President Obama signed this new law even though his administration had already claimed overly broad detention authority in court,� said Romero. �Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back the constitutional excesses of George Bush in the war on terror was extinguished today. Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the scope of detention authority. But Congress and the president also have a role to play in cleaning up the mess they have created because no American citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA�s detention authority." |
I'm not saying you should give money to the ACLU, but I would say such money is better spent than contributing to Obama 2012. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| I'm not saying you should give money to the ACLU, but I would say such money is better spent than contributing to Obama 2012. |
Hear, hear!
The OWS people have now found something specific to be against and actually try to accomplish:
Tues., Jan. 3: Day of Action against NDAA
When: Tuesday, Jan. 3
Time: 12 p.m.
Where: New York Public Library at 5th Ave and 42nd
Description: A call has been put out by Occupy Wall Street to let our government know the people will not tolerate any more attacks on our rights!
January 3rd will be a spontaneous show of people power in reaction to
Obama's treasonous signing of the National Defense Authorization Act.
Not only does this act violate our first, third, fourth, fifth and sixth
amendments, as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, but this Act was
signed quietly this past New Years Eve violating what little trust
remained between the people and their established government. We see
what's happening here, and we will not stand for it.
TENTATIVE SCHEDULE FOR DAY OF ACTION:
12 pm - Press Conference at NYPL at Bryant Park.
2 pm - Office demo at Senator Gillibrand's office at 780 3rd Ave.
3 pm - Office demo at Senator Schumer's office at 757 3rd Ave.
4 pm - Rally up at Rockefeller Plaza
5 pm - flash check about NDAA in Grand Central for commuters.
**above subject to change at on short notice, stay tuned!
Please Help Spread the Word and Please Help Fight Back.
Participate in the Media Bomb As Well:
http://www.facebook.com/events/103244609796837/
#j3 #occupyjustice #opblackout |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
The USA now joins Myanmar, Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea and Iran as some of the few remaining tyrannical countries on the planet.
Time for Americans to head for places where freedom actually exists (habeas corpus is still alive and well in the civilized world).
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Yeah, forget the constitution-- we're now at risk of losing rights dating back to the Magna Carta... It's just plain sad...
But then, if suppose if Americans will accept banker occupation/looting of the economy, endless wars, and TSA rent-a-goons groping their children's genitals etc. etc., this outcome shouldn't really come as a surprise. Continuing to live abroad just becomes more and more appealing as time goes on... |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Here's an idea which should catch on!
Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate.
By Ralph Lopez - Posted on 25 December 2011
Moving quickly on Christmas Day after the US Senate voted 86 - 14 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 (NDAA) which allows for the indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial, Montanans have announced the launch of recall campaigns against Senators Max Baucus and Jonathan Tester, and Congressman Denny Reberg, who all voted for the bill.
Montana is one of nine states with provisions that say that the right of recall extends to recalling members of its federal congressional delegation, pursuant to Montana Code 2-16-603, on the grounds of physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of certain felony offenses... |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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And then they came for the food activists
Thursday, January 05, 2012 by: PF Louis
(NaturalNews) The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) -- an act which allows for the government of the United States to indefinitely imprison citizens without any access to due process -- has been signed in accordance with a Congress that represents Corporate America and Big Agriculture, but not "we the people". So now we should all consider that the FBI has nothing better to do than seek food activists as terrorists among the other activists deemed domestic terrorists.
The FBI investigated a former Chicago Tribune journalist for handing out leaflets advocating animal rights. Will Potter was arrested by Chicago police and then released. Shortly after, the FBI knocked on his door. Will was threatened with being placed on the "domestic terrorist list..." |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
And then they came for the food activists
Thursday, January 05, 2012 by: PF Louis
(NaturalNews) The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) -- an act which allows for the government of the United States to indefinitely imprison citizens without any access to due process -- has been signed in accordance with a Congress that represents Corporate America and Big Agriculture, but not "we the people". So now we should all consider that the FBI has nothing better to do than seek food activists as terrorists among the other activists deemed domestic terrorists.
The FBI investigated a former Chicago Tribune journalist for handing out leaflets advocating animal rights. Will Potter was arrested by Chicago police and then released. Shortly after, the FBI knocked on his door. Will was threatened with being placed on the "domestic terrorist list..." |
Oh gawd... and I suppose people selling raw milk will just carted off to some dungeon from here on in. The scariest part is that we already know the federal government has terror watch lists for such minor things; and now they've got the power to just arrest anyone (incl. myself probably, since I own guns and read libertarian literature on my computer) and detain them indefinitely. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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Indefinite detention: Instrument of tyranny
When President Obama signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act on New Year's Eve, he codified policies of arbitrary and indefinite detention for terror suspects including possibly U.S. citizens. Alexander Hamilton referred to such policies as the "favorite and most formidable instruments of tyranny." Based on our experience in evaluating and caring for victims of torture and human rights abuses from all over the world, Hamilton was right.
Regardless of the law's applicability to U.S. citizens, indefinite detention in a military facility without charge can be tantamount to torture, causing profound health consequences.
Omoyele Sowore, a Nigerian-born journalist and pro-democracy activist, is a former client of our program. When Mr. Sowore recently spoke at an event marking the 50th anniversary of Amnesty International, he poignantly noted that when a nation chooses national security over basic freedoms, it becomes a great danger to its own people. He was originally describing African dictatorial regimes... |
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