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bekinseki
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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You know, I don't think the whole "War on Christmas" thing was meant to prevent all us heathens from getting offended. I think it was a Christian attempt to reassert their authority over the holiday, reminding us all that it's all about Christ, and if you don't accept him into your life, well, no presents for you.
To me Christmas is already far more than a religious holiday. It's a special time of year that's all about family and friends, maybe some time off work, and a whole bunch of corny decorations--nothing about God, unless you deify Santa (which I think would be a smart move for Christians; drop that Holy Spirit from the Trinity already). |
Even those corny decorations have to do with Christ. Santa a was a real guy. And I have no idea what you mean by dropping the Holy Spirit |
Oh, just a joke that I think the Holy Trinity would be a lot stronger if they scrapped the Holy Spirit and added in Santa, full time. I know he was a real guy, as was Jesus, but both have become deified long after their deaths. The Holy Spirit isn't really humanised (even God is just Zeus without the lightning bolts), so it's not as popular as the other three.
Valentine's Day was once considered a religious holiday, but now it's more of a commercial one that can be celebrated by anybody. I think Christmas is pretty well the same, only the Christians have a bit more of a hold on it still.
Christmas decorations do not have any relation with Christ. Care to explain what Christ has to do with Christmas trees, Christmas lights, stockings, holly, mistletoe, Yule, and gift-giving?
The modern holiday comes from a variety of Pagan traditions, so if anything, Christians are the ones who stole Christmas. |
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bekinseki
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, I was looking for a good macro to sum it up. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bekinseki wrote: |
You know, I don't think the whole "War on Christmas" thing was meant to prevent all us heathens from getting offended. I think it was a Christian attempt to reassert their authority over the holiday, reminding us all that it's all about Christ, and if you don't accept him into your life, well, no presents for you.
To me Christmas is already far more than a religious holiday. It's a special time of year that's all about family and friends, maybe some time off work, and a whole bunch of corny decorations--nothing about God, unless you deify Santa (which I think would be a smart move for Christians; drop that Holy Spirit from the Trinity already). |
This. +1 |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| warmachinenkorea wrote: |
| bekinseki wrote: |
You know, I don't think the whole "War on Christmas" thing was meant to prevent all us heathens from getting offended. I think it was a Christian attempt to reassert their authority over the holiday, reminding us all that it's all about Christ, and if you don't accept him into your life, well, no presents for you.
To me Christmas is already far more than a religious holiday. It's a special time of year that's all about family and friends, maybe some time off work, and a whole bunch of corny decorations--nothing about God, unless you deify Santa (which I think would be a smart move for Christians; drop that Holy Spirit from the Trinity already). |
Even those corny decorations have to do with Christ. Santa a was a real guy. And I have no idea what you mean by dropping the Holy Spirit |
http://i.imgur.com/9f8Th.jpg |
Christmas tree-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree
Wreath-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreath
Candy cane-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_cane
They all have there roots in Paganism because of Constantine. Just like many Christian holiday dates fall on Pagan holiday's.
There are many different kinds of Christians. Not all are the same. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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There was an article this week about not having a Jesus ornament on the White House tree....yet they still had room for an Obama ornament.
One of my more adamant Christian friends was up in arms over this. How could they not have a Jesus ornament on Christmas???
lol
I was really tempted to ask him what Jesus had to do with the tree in e first place....but figured the season wasn't right for such a discussion. |
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bekinseki
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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A Jesus ornament on a tree? Never seen it. Angel on the top, yes, but Jesus?
Sounds made up, and the more I think about my first post, the more spot on it sounds. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I like the top two of the poll options.
Happy Holidays is okay if NOT mean as in 'I'm saying this so as not to offend certain religious groups.'
I'm reminded of American kids not being allowed to say Happy Chrismas at school and UK high st stores not being allowed to put up Xmas decorations beause Muslims might be offended and I just wonder why we are so intent, our two societies, on commiting cultural suicide.
Merry Christmas everyone. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'm game to wish anyone a happy anything, & this particular holiday is indicated as Christmas on my calendar. Not inclined to say "merry christmas" to anyone outside maybe a three-day window though.
Dickens gets credit for popularizing the term (in A Christmas Carol). He also brought the notion of a white christmas into the popular imagination, due to fluky weather conditions in London one year.
My little garden will still be under snow come sunday. Nice. But I sure am glad to be isolated from xmas frenzy. I expect I'll spend a mostly ordinary day. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| bekinseki wrote: |
You know, I don't think the whole "War on Christmas" thing was meant to prevent all us heathens from getting offended. I think it was a Christian attempt to reassert their authority over the holiday, reminding us all that it's all about Christ, and if you don't accept him into your life, well, no presents for you.
To me Christmas is already far more than a religious holiday. It's a special time of year that's all about family and friends, maybe some time off work, and a whole bunch of corny decorations--nothing about God, unless you deify Santa (which I think would be a smart move for Christians; drop that Holy Spirit from the Trinity already). |
I read a great article in a UK broadsheet a while back about how the modern, secular idea of a Christmas spent with family and friends has a lot to do with Dickens. Apparently before a Christmas Carol was published Christmas was still really just a day for Christians to celebrate the birth of Christ and not much else. The idea of the family all gathered round the table to a big feast was something that became really popular in Victorian times. Infact my Grandfather (Scottish) told me that when he got his first job Christmas only a half day holiday.
Not sure how true all of the above is but interesting none the less! |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
I'm game to wish anyone a happy anything, & this particular holiday is indicated as Christmas on my calendar. Not inclined to say "merry christmas" to anyone outside maybe a three-day window though.
Dickens gets credit for popularizing the term (in A Christmas Carol). He also brought the notion of a white christmas into the popular imagination, due to fluky weather conditions in London one year.
My little garden will still be under snow come sunday. Nice. But I sure am glad to be isolated from xmas frenzy. I expect I'll spend a mostly ordinary day. |
 I never saw your post before posting my reply about Dickens! Looks like there might be something in it after all |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| litebear wrote: |
I read a great article in a UK broadsheet a while back about how the modern, secular idea of a Christmas spent with family and friends has a lot to do with Dickens. Apparently before a Christmas Carol was published Christmas was still really just a day for Christians to celebrate the birth of Christ and not much else. The idea of the family all gathered round the table to a big feast was something that became really popular in Victorian times. |
Not sure how true that is either. Certain things like Christmas trees came in during the 19th century, but I believe ham and goose were traditional for Christmas for a long time.
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| Infact my Grandfather (Scottish) told me that when he got his first job Christmas only a half day holiday. |
It's grim up in Scotland! (But Hogmanay up there is supposed to be the best)
Re greetings: I'm not bothered but to me 'Happy holidays' sounds more casual and thus more appropriate for people not in one's inner circle. |
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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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I've always preferred "Merry Christmas," but don't mind hearing "Happy Holidays."
I've never really seen or heard the phrase "Seasons Greetings" being used outside of a card. It always sounded a bit snobbish to me (no offense to anyone who uses it!) |
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eat_yeot
Joined: 11 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Quick question: Have you (OP) or anyone else actually ever encountered anyone at all that was 'offended' by the term 'Merry Christmas'? Ever? |
No, but I like seeing people get offended by being told "Happy Holidays!" bwahaha. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I usually say either happy holidays, or I change the greeting if I know someone is Christian/Jewish/Whatever.
I don't care what you say to me. People who are offended either way are kind of annoying. I'm trying to give you good wishes, just take them and assume I really meant whatever you celebrate. Why turn it into something negative? First world problems.... |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans say 메리 크리스마스? |
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