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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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Thanks Silk highway. I'll look into those boards.
I'm aware that English and History are not that in demand right now. Unfortunately they're the only two that I am close to having a teachable subject in. I need 1.5 more English credits and 2 more History credits to qualify for the ABQ courses for Senior. So that's what I'll be working on.
Either way, the extra credits will get me to the next level on the pay scale. It may also benefit me in the future, perhaps if I get into administration, to have those qualifications under my belt. I'll also be able to supply teach here for high school if all else fails. I have plenty of time, so why not get it out of the way now? I know what you're saying about the possibility that it might not be recognized outside of Ontario though, but they are credits that count for pay.
I'm in the process of studying French too, since it seems that people with French qualifications get in right away. That'll be a long process though. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| [ The thing is that with the teaching oversupply in Canada a lot of teachers who really want to teach will be going into teachers' college with the mindset that they're going "up North" or to Asia, as ddeubel mentioned. That's the threat to anyone in Korea for the longhaul, and I don't think that trend is going to slow down anytime soon. |
Isn't this just what I said already...  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well I'm not sure how the article's date is relevant...that's only six months ago...hardly enough time for the impact to be felt. People have to sell houses/give notice for apts...gather the relevant documents, I think we'll have to wait another year before the "all clear" is sounded. |
Ha..I hope you're just trying to keep this thread alive. 200 teachers is nothing. They're basically being told there's jobs in Asia so go there for a year..but for reasons I stated and more, very few will actually do that.
You want to really scare us? Find out how many teachers are being certified every year in Ontario, BC, and Nova Scotia and compare it to the amount of teachers retiring. |
Ask and ye shall receive
http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2011/06/15/two-thirds-of-new-teachers-cant-find-full-time-work/
This is mostly Ontario stats but BC is approximately at the 2/3rds problem as well. |
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Silkhighway,
I've even applied for some jobs in Nunavut
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i would never want to work there lol, but salaries are higher, especially when you factor in the federal grant for working in a desolate location |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi Silkhighway,
I'm willing to go anywhere really. I've even applied for some jobs in Nunavut, but never got a response.
I'm certified in Ontario for Primary, Junior and Intermediate English. I have Special Education Part 1 and Reading Part 1 as well. This spring I'm going to work toward getting the credits I need to do the Intermediate and Senior History ABQ courses and Senior English.
I just put together an application package for the Edmonton and Calgary boards. I'm going to send my stuff to the board in Regina as well. I've applied to some of the boards in Newfoundland too. If you know of any other boards that are hiring, please let me know and I'll look into it! Thanks!
Oh, and I'm over 30, so England is out. I've already explored that option. |
The problem is your teachables are very common. I am English/history intermediate/senior and I also have junior/primary ABQs...but I will never teach anything below grade 6.
Science, especially physics and French are where the teaching jobs are atm.
I would suggest you join TIEONLINE and apply for the crap international schools, it is a starting place, and if they are accredited, the experience will count. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| apply for the crap international schools |
How exactly do you know what a "crap international school" is and then communicate that to a recruiter? |
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outkast_3000
Joined: 20 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| well...as Mr.Pink said, join TIEONLINE and you'll know what the crap international schools are. Also, with International schools you've got to put in a bit more legwork than leaving it to a recruiter..Not to say that recruiters don't exist for international schools, but there are huge recruiting fairs where you meet the schools directly...as I'm not employed by an international school nor have I ever been through the process, I'll say no more. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| apply for the crap international schools |
How exactly do you know what a "crap international school" is and then communicate that to a recruiter? |
I am guessing you do not know how the system works, so I shall enlighten:
There is a nifty website called International School Reviews . com that if you pay 20 a year you get access to thousands of reviews. Believe me, there are A LOT of "crappy" schools out there based on these reviews. Things that make schools crappy are pay, students but by far it is bad administrators. Schools that have a high turnover will look for new B.Eds that the admins/owners can push around easier.
Recruiters: There are 2 main recruiting agencies: ISS and Search Associates. I have been with Search Associates and my recruiter really hasn't done anything for me. I pay to be listed and see what jobs are listed, but it was my own initiative in applying and my interview skills that got me the job. It isn't like recruiters in Korea where they will lie and sell their mothers to get you placed. These agencies make the majority of their money from the various job fairs they host and schools pay a fortune to attend. They still make a fair chunk of change when prospective teachers and employers are matched, but their primary business is keeping those schools coming year after year to the lucrative fairs, thus they won't hard sell anyone they don't know extensively and personally.
I took a risk and took at a job at what looked like a "crap" school. It had a major administration change the same year I joined and that turned out to be an awesome thing as the climate of the school went from crap to good. I know for a fact I wasn't the first choice of my headmaster, but I got an interview and that sealed the deal.
My advice is sound, as everyone has to start somewhere. If top tier schools won't look at you, try lower. I can honestly say, it takes a hell of a lot for a top tier school to look at someone. Connections would be a better way of getting into such a school.
Look at the ISR free forums for a list of "top tier" schools in Asia. There are none in Korea btw. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Believe me, there are A LOT of "crappy" schools out there based on these reviews. |
But are they? I will enlighten you, THEY ARE NOT.
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| Recruiters: There are 2 main recruiting agencies: ISS and Search Associates. |
Among others. Where will this elitism "feeling" go. Let's see.
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| My advice is sound, as everyone has to start somewhere. |
Your advice is biased and not representational of all possibilities.
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| Look at the ISR free forums for a list of "top tier" schools in Asia. There are none in Korea btw. |
Where are they then?
You talk the talk, you walk the walk (macho profile photo by the way). After your Miami Vice days are over, what do/will you have?
NOTHING. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Believe me, there are A LOT of "crappy" schools out there based on these reviews. |
But are they? I will enlighten you, THEY ARE NOT.
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| Recruiters: There are 2 main recruiting agencies: ISS and Search Associates. |
Among others. Where will this elitism "feeling" go. Let's see.
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| My advice is sound, as everyone has to start somewhere. |
Your advice is biased and not representational of all possibilities.
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| Look at the ISR free forums for a list of "top tier" schools in Asia. There are none in Korea btw. |
Where are they then?
You talk the talk, you walk the walk (macho profile photo by the way). After your Miami Vice days are over, what do/will you have?
NOTHING. |
Are you perhaps jealous? I don't get the negativity in your tone. I guess I should, considering this is Dave's and people feel the need to crap on others constructive posts.
When you post your extensive experience in international schools, then perhaps you can say there are no crappy international schools. The reality is, there are tons of them out there. You can argue with me all you want, but as someone who is a professional in that sector I know what I am talking about.
Is it elitism that there are only 2 recruiting agencies? I don't feel any pride or elitism having to use one. ISS is VERY expensive for teachers to use, and Search Associates is $200 US a year. To attend a recruiting fair where you pay airfare and stay at the hosting hotel, costs from $1500-2000 a year. Perhaps that is the elitism you refer to as it puts a huge burden on teachers. I refuse to buy into that, and so do plenty of others. The reality is though, job fairs are the best places to impress and get jobs.
I told you to look at the ISR forums. I didn't make the list, and your condescending voice is unwarranted. It might appear as though I agree with the list, but I do not. I was just giving information for those who might be interested.
I guess I do not get what you mean by "Miami Vice Days". I am an international school educator. When I am done teaching, I will retire. I have invested in a B.Ed and MA for the purpose of being a professional teacher. What will I have at the end? Too many things to list here. However, use your imagination and I am sure you will come up with a bigger answer than "nothing".
Typically I visit these boards once or twice a year to see if people looking to move on, and into the realm of certified teaching have questions. If you, Koreatimes aren't one of those people, stop trolling and crapping on this post and let those who want information ask and receive. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Are you perhaps jealous? |
Jealous of ego?
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| then perhaps you can say there are no crappy international schools |
I never made a claim there were no crappy international schools. I said there were not only 2 RECRUITING AGENCIES [edited for clarity], as you asserted. You don't see the difference?
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| Is it elitism that there are only 2 recruiting agencies? |
Well, it sure is something if you say ONLY 2. Use your brain.
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| I guess I do not get what you mean by "Miami Vice Days". |
Pink, shades. You don't get it?
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| If you, Koreatimes aren't one of those people |
If I am not one of those people who only visit 2 times a year? LOL, who are you? What was the point of your 2nd visit? Or is this the first of the 2012 year? 
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| then perhaps you can say there are no crappy international schools |
I never made a claim there were no crappy international schools. I said there were not only 2, as you asserted. You don't see the difference? |
Reading comprehension: he never said there were only two international schools. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| then perhaps you can say there are no crappy international schools |
I never made a claim there were no crappy international schools. I said there were not only 2, as you asserted. You don't see the difference? |
Reading comprehension: he never said there were only two international schools. |
LOL, what? Going backwards?
"Is it elitism that there are only 2 recruiting agencies?"
What was he saying then?
By the way, I was never referring to schools, you schmuck.
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, I was never referring to schools, you schmuck. |
That was unclear:
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| I never made a claim there were no crappy international schools. I said there were not only 2, as you asserted. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, I was never referring to schools, you schmuck. |
That was unclear:
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| I never made a claim there were no crappy international schools. I said there were not only 2, as you asserted. |
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Look at context, you newbie. A recruiter tells you about schools. Geesh. My comments were for the poster not you to twist. |
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