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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| People use a space heater because their boss is too cheap to heat the office. So you have the heater hidden under your desk, and the boss gets the bill. Same at the public schools. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Space heater in the bathroom is all I gotta say. |
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Lazio
Joined: 15 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Am I the only one who checks his electricity/gas meter? No surprises when the bills come.
You don't need to check it every day but after you start using a new thing with high power consumption, it is a good idea to see how much energy is used in a day or two. than you can get a pretty close estimation about your monthly usage and bill.
these are the kepco rates; once you pass the 300 or 400 kwh line, it is very easy to make a huge bill.
For the first 100 kWh 57.30
For the next 100 kWh 118.40
For the next 100 kWh 175.00
For the next 100 kWh 258.70
For the next 100 kWh 381.50
For all over 500 kWh 670.60 |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| nathanrutledge wrote: |
Yeah, that's right.
One, electricity bills are tiered. The first tier is cheap. The second tier is much more expensive and smaller. The third tier is insane and small. etc.... So the difference between X kW and Y kW might be a few kW, but the price difference could be huge if X and Y are in different price tiers.
Two, space heaters use a TON of electricity. A standard 60 watt light bulb uses - you guessed it - 60 watts. Multiply that out, it's 60 watts per hour, 600 watts per 10 hours 6 kW over 100 hours. Compare that to a standard heater that uses 1500 watts. It uses 1.5 kW per hour, 15 kW per 10 hours, and 150 kW per 100 hours.
I'm sure you can do the math... Your electricity usage has skyrocketed, through the tiers, to the point that you pay a lot.
Simple fact is, Korea imports 100% of it's energy. If you use more than the minimums, you get burned. Gas, electric, petrol, whatever. You have to be frugal. |
While highly dependant on imports over a third of Korea's electrical production and nearly 15% of its total energy consumption comes from nuclear power. Korea's current goal is to increase that production to meet 50% of its electric needs.
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I believe after that problem in Japan, the future of nuclear power here will not be as bright as it is now planned. Also last time I checked, there were no uranium mines in Korea. This is how you power today's nuclear power plants. So I would still classify it as an imported energy source, albeit cheaper than other imports.
In fact, the only energy source locally produced in large quantities are those coal briquettes that they mostly use to cook with these days. There is also a small amount of hydro generation and alternative sources.
If your energy bills are too high, use less. Or turn your head to the wind and host tropical beach parties all winter long. |
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Suwon23
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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The reason electric heaters are so costly is because of one word: resistance.
When a current passes through a circuit, it meets a certain amount of resistance. This causes some of the energy flowing through the circuit to be lost in the form of heat. To prevent this, many wires are designed to have as low a resistance as possible - thicker wiring, good insulation, etc. An electric heater is basically a circuit that is made to have a very high resistance, which allows electric energy to be turned into heat energy. In other words, electric heaters are designed to be as inefficient as possible. If it didn't waste a large amount of electricity, it wouldn't be doing its job.
Now answer the question someone brought up earlier: why aren't you using the ondol? Gas isn't that expensive compared to electric heaters, and sitting on a nice toasty floor in the winter time is one of the pleasures of Korea! |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:32 am Post subject: |
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There's a reason why virtually all Korean families use ondol instead of space heaters in the Winter.
Gotta love these foreigners who come here and try to beat the system......oooh, I'm smarter than all these Koreans. I'll use electric heaters instead of all those stupid ondol-using suckers! |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I remember I warned the OP in another thread. And some idiots posted "Oh, they are cheaper!" which went against everything I know to be true.
Using electric heaters is crazy expensive, unless used rarely.
I believe the OP now understands this. |
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darkjedidave
Joined: 19 Aug 2009
Location: Shanghai/Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Someone is currently selling two space heaters in the BST forum, I had to check and see if it was the OP  |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
There's a reason why virtually all Korean families use ondol instead of space heaters in the Winter.
Gotta love these foreigners who come here and try to beat the system......oooh, I'm smarter than all these Koreans. I'll use electric heaters instead of all those stupid ondol-using suckers! |
Actually with the price of natural gas skyrocketing, a lot of Koreans are now using electric heating mats and stuff instead, which is the reason for the horrendous power shortage going on right now. Well that and the fact that KEPCO's been run by some of the most incompetent executives in Korean history since LMB took office (then again, this guy's got 14 white-collar crimes under his belt, and almost ran Hyundai Construction into the ground, so he's a corrupt, incompetent moron himself). And the rat-faced bulldozer thinks he can just force people to save power without addressing the root cause of the problem which is the skyrocketing price of petroleum-based fuels. What a complete moron.  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I remember I warned the OP in another thread. And some idiots posted "Oh, they are cheaper!" which went against everything I know to be true.
Using electric heaters is crazy expensive, unless used rarely.
I believe the OP now understands this. |
Was it the OP in that other thread? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| is so delicious wrote: |
Then I don't get it. Why would anyone use a space heater, if it's seemingly twice (at least) as expensive as oil/floor heating?
I still think something is amiss. I've been here over a year, and I think I would have remembered paying this much last December. |
They use them at work where someone else is paying the bill. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| is so delicious wrote: |
Sorry to keep whining, but I just checked my neighbors electric bill, which was still in his mailbox. About 8,000W. And his oil bill is only 39,000W, compared to my 31,000W.
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How does oil work in Korea? Do they measure how much you specifically use in a month and then bill you? Or does each apartment have it's own oil tank that you have to get refilled as you need it? Does someone comes by and fill it up then you pay them - like at the gas station? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| is so delicious wrote: |
Then I don't get it. Why would anyone use a space heater, if it's seemingly twice (at least) as expensive as oil/floor heating?
I still think something is amiss. I've been here over a year, and I think I would have remembered paying this much last December. |
They use them at work where someone else is paying the bill. |
I worked at one place where the owner ran a cable out the window of the school and connected it to one of the external lights on the building. The power for the external lighting (like the elevators and corridor lights) was paid for by everyone who rented space in the building. Inside the school there were a bunch of extension cords running to the teachers room and classrooms. We were supposed to plug the electric heaters into those. That guy was a real tight wad. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Space heaters that circulate air are exponentially more effective than the ones that just radiate heat (dish type for example.)
FYI. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| I was one of the people advocating space heaters last year, and i'll stand by it now. Use the space heater for a couple hours after work and the ondol on weekends makes for great energy savings in a small apartment (and keep you out of the more expensive tiers). I saved around 40,000 a month over just ondol use. Space heaters warm up small spaces quicker, too. |
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