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joelove
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It was used in the Simpsons when they went to Italy and the old lady sighed, "Americano?" after Homer was being an obnoxious jerk expecting everybody to speak English or something.
Furthermore, "La Grille" -- what the hell is that? |
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Drew345
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The first time I saw the term Americano was in Korea. I ordered it since I'm American and I thought it would be American style: drip coffee with cream and sugar. It came black so I asked for some cream and sugar and got a really evil look from the lady (and no cream and sugar). Since then I just carry my own creamer and equal in little individual packs. Which brings up another question. Why no powdered creamer in Korean coffee shops? The stuff is dirt cheap. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Drew345 wrote: |
| The first time I saw the term Americano was in Korea. I ordered it since I'm American and I thought it would be American style: drip coffee with cream and sugar. It came black so I asked for some cream and sugar and got a really evil look from the lady (and no cream and sugar). Since then I just carry my own creamer and equal in little individual packs. Which brings up another question. Why no powdered creamer in Korean coffee shops? The stuff is dirt cheap. |
At my local 'gourmet' coffee shop I would get the brunch set which includes a mug of 'americano'.......I would ask the owner, who likes to practice his English with me every time I go there, for milk and sugar to have with the americano, which he would duly bring to me.
After about five times asking for milk and sugar I decided to tell him that black coffee is always served with milk, or cream, and sugar in the west. He just looked at me like I was telling him that eggs come from cows.....total surprise. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| Drew345 wrote: |
| The first time I saw the term Americano was in Korea. I ordered it since I'm American and I thought it would be American style: drip coffee with cream and sugar. It came black so I asked for some cream and sugar and got a really evil look from the lady (and no cream and sugar). Since then I just carry my own creamer and equal in little individual packs. Which brings up another question. Why no powdered creamer in Korean coffee shops? The stuff is dirt cheap. |
At my local 'gourmet' coffee shop I would get the brunch set which includes a mug of 'americano'.......I would ask the owner, who likes to practice his English with me every time I go there, for milk and sugar to have with the americano, which he would duly bring to me.
After about five times asking for milk and sugar I decided to tell him that black coffee is always served with milk, or cream, and sugar in the west. He just looked at me like I was telling him that eggs come from cows.....total surprise. |
I've tried to explain this to various coffee shop clerks too, usually in Korean. They always just tell me that what I want is called "Caff� Latte".
I also noticed into that music video (the Korean one), one of the lyrics is: "no syrup (sugar) please." That reminded me that they usually don't have powdered sugar or milk for customers at all--just syrup.
It's not just Korea either. I remember Japan being somewhat like this. |
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Hiromi C
Joined: 28 May 2011
Location: Gwanak-gu, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| myenglishisno wrote: |
I've tried to explain this to various coffee shop clerks too, usually in Korean. They always just tell me that what I want is called "Caff� Latte".
I also noticed into that music video (the Korean one), one of the lyrics is: "no syrup (sugar) please." That reminded me that they usually don't have powdered sugar or milk for customers at all--just syrup.
It's not just Korea either. I remember Japan being somewhat like this. |
Really, anywhere with espresso-based drinks is going to tell you that. An americano is not the same as drip coffee. There are differences in how the beans are roasted and how they're ground, not to mention the difference between simple filtration and high-pressure steam for the actual extraction of the aromatic oils.
With that, comes a different set of assumptions. Americanos are traditionally not served with milk, because that'll spoil the flavor of the fairly pure coffee oils. You can probably find sugar, but syrups are uncommon in americanos.
Cafe lattes are espresso shots with steamed milk poured over them(ideally frothed into microfoam). Add a shot or two of chocolate syrup, and you have a cafe mocha.
What you're asking for isn't crazy, but it's certainly outside the usual protocols of espresso based drinks. You're basically asking them for a hybrid between an espresso and latte. Factor in the fact that espressos are usually a dollar or two cheaper than lattes and you can begin to see why the staff would be a bit put off by the request. |
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furtakk
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:04 am Post subject: |
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I think most of the bigger chains have drip coffee. I know for sure that Starbucks, DD, Coffee bean, and Caffe Benne do. Starbucks always has milk/cream near the serving counter and DD has cream packets if you ask. I don't drink americanos, but when I get drip coffee at a place that doesn't have milk readily available I just ask.
Next time try, 차가운 우유 좀 주세요. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Hiromi C wrote: |
| myenglishisno wrote: |
I've tried to explain this to various coffee shop clerks too, usually in Korean. They always just tell me that what I want is called "Caff� Latte".
I also noticed into that music video (the Korean one), one of the lyrics is: "no syrup (sugar) please." That reminded me that they usually don't have powdered sugar or milk for customers at all--just syrup.
It's not just Korea either. I remember Japan being somewhat like this. |
Really, anywhere with espresso-based drinks is going to tell you that. An americano is not the same as drip coffee. There are differences in how the beans are roasted and how they're ground, not to mention the difference between simple filtration and high-pressure steam for the actual extraction of the aromatic oils.
With that, comes a different set of assumptions. Americanos are traditionally not served with milk, because that'll spoil the flavor of the fairly pure coffee oils. You can probably find sugar, but syrups are uncommon in americanos.
Cafe lattes are espresso shots with steamed milk poured over them(ideally frothed into microfoam). Add a shot or two of chocolate syrup, and you have a cafe mocha.
What you're asking for isn't crazy, but it's certainly outside the usual protocols of espresso based drinks. You're basically asking them for a hybrid between an espresso and latte. Factor in the fact that espressos are usually a dollar or two cheaper than lattes and you can begin to see why the staff would be a bit put off by the request. |
Coffee is frakking complicated, man. |
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methdxman
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| You are a retard if you cannot find drip coffee in Korea. |
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Landros
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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don't get me started on every place asking me if I want my cappuccino hot.
If I wanted Iced T I'd ask for it iced. Do they make iced hot chocolate now?
"A cappuccino is a coffee drink topped with micro-foamed milk. It is made in a steam-producing espresso machine. Espresso is poured into the bottom third of the cup, and is followed by a similar amount of hot milk. The top third of the drink consists of milk foam; this foam is often decorated with artistic drawings made with the same milk called latte art. Shaved chocolate, raw sugar, cinnamon, or other spices are often sprinkled onto the top of the finished drink and also can melt some chocolate into the coffe before pouring the milk. Cappuccinos are served with a teaspoon and then consumed."
Why would anyone add ICE to this?
"When a barista steams the milk for a cappuccino, microfoam is created by introducing very tiny bubbles of air into the milk, giving the milk a velvety texture. The traditional cappuccino consists of an espresso, on which the barista pours the hot foamed milk, resulting in a 2 cm (� inch) thick milk foam on top"
ICED Latte OKAY but Cappuccino basically means coffee with steamed milk. next they will ask if I want my mandu frozen? |
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UknowsI
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| methdxman wrote: |
| You are a retard if you cannot find drip coffee in Korea. |
But be aware, often you'll have to wait 10 minutes because you are the first costumer ordering drip coffee that day. |
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chasmmi
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Ulsan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Landros"]don't get me started on every place asking me if I want my cappuccino hot.
If I wanted Iced T I'd ask for it iced. Do they make iced hot chocolate now?
I have ordered a Hot Chocolate and then been asked whether I want it iced.
It does take me a few seconds each time to recover from the paradox.
With regards to the drip coffee issue (Which I have never referred to as drip coffee before but just as coffee or filter coffee), apart from Starbucks, at how many places is it actually offered on the menu board as opposed to just being available if you ask?
I (and I understand that this is just me) am quite averse to trying to ask for things that are not explicitly on the menu, even if the chances are 99% that it is available. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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I (and I understand that this is just me) am quite averse to trying to ask for things that are not explicitly on the menu, even if the chances are 99% that it is available. |
Out of curiosity, why? Are you worried they'll screw it up? |
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chasmmi
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
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I (and I understand that this is just me) am quite averse to trying to ask for things that are not explicitly on the menu, even if the chances are 99% that it is available. |
Out of curiosity, why? Are you worried they'll screw it up? |
It's more that I feel like I am asking someone to go out of their way just for me to do something specially.
It's odd really as I have no problem asking for alterations to be mde to a dish/item on a menu. But I feel uncomfortable asking for something that isn't advertised.
Sort of as if 'Yes I have perused your menu and decided i would like None of the Above thanks'.
I would be the same back in England and would consider myself equally mad there. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| chasmmi wrote: |
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I (and I understand that this is just me) am quite averse to trying to ask for things that are not explicitly on the menu, even if the chances are 99% that it is available. |
Out of curiosity, why? Are you worried they'll screw it up? |
It's more that I feel like I am asking someone to go out of their way just for me to do something specially.
It's odd really as I have no problem asking for alterations to be mde to a dish/item on a menu. But I feel uncomfortable asking for something that isn't advertised.
Sort of as if 'Yes I have perused your menu and decided i would like None of the Above thanks'.
I would be the same back in England and would consider myself equally mad there. |
When I used to work part time in high school, and people had these special requests, on the outside I woudl be all smiles and say "Sure thing, I'll get that for you right away!" On the inside I'm thinking, "What the heck. You couldn't just order normally like 99% of the people out there."
I'm sure I'm not the only teenage part-timer that has thought that way. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| chasmmi wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
| chasmmi wrote: |
I (and I understand that this is just me) am quite averse to trying to ask for things that are not explicitly on the menu, even if the chances are 99% that it is available. |
Out of curiosity, why? Are you worried they'll screw it up? |
It's more that I feel like I am asking someone to go out of their way just for me to do something specially.
It's odd really as I have no problem asking for alterations to be mde to a dish/item on a menu. But I feel uncomfortable asking for something that isn't advertised.
Sort of as if 'Yes I have perused your menu and decided i would like None of the Above thanks'.
I would be the same back in England and would consider myself equally mad there. |
When I used to work part time in high school, and people had these special requests, on the outside I woudl be all smiles and say "Sure thing, I'll get that for you right away!" On the inside I'm thinking, "What the heck. You couldn't just order normally like 99% of the people out there."
I'm sure I'm not the only teenage part-timer that has thought that way. |
Korea just doesn't have a coffee culture. Up until very recently, all coffee here was bare bones and of the instant variety. Coffee isn't seen as a delicacy nor does anyone fawn over a well done, homebrewed cup of coffee. Within the past couple of years, coffee shops started booming everywhere however they serve very little actual coffee and lots of sugar/cream.
They think our requests are weird in coffee shops just as it would be weird to go into Paris Baguette and ask for something that was whole wheat and not covered in sugar. Normal to us, weird for them. |
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