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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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 Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Reactions to Kids react |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
Read the rest of my comment. Think back to when you were a kid and you'll understand. |
Sorry, but I still don't see it. The first sentence of your post was directed towards my comments, which I replied to and believe I left nothing ambiguous. The next part of your post still doesn't substantiate your accusation of my having missed something obvious, so I don't see any connection.
Are we having the same discussion here? Seems you are trying a bit too hard. 
Yes, they are kids and will react as such. Yes, the lyrics are unintelligible which may affect their reactions. Yes, Kpop is mainly for Koreans. I agree to all of this. What I said was that the kids in the video are seasoned veterans of this series and their reactions are thus not completely honest, as a new sample group - ones who have never done that before - may have been. I think it is a fair observation and legitimate.
Think about it; he beauty of kids reactions to anything is the lack of self-awareness; they are free from the burden of being highly self-conscious and express themselves in a very free manner. These kids however, have done these videos before and they have seen themselves at home on YouTube. Parents and friends have probably commented on their reactions and they may have read the comments that follow the videos. Being kids, these things will affect how they behave/react in subsequent recordings. They are now trying to be cute/cool/witty/funny or whatever, which again, taints the reactions. This is and was my point. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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You know, for all the hype the last kid is getting, and how smart and perceptive any of these kids are, only the black kid was able to put 2+2 together....
"What country are they from?"
"Korea" (like, is this a trick question?)
Everyone else said Japan or China or something else, including the Asian kid. 
Yeah, they may be good at hyping up the show and ranting, but maybe a bit more thinking and a bit less critical is called for. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I can sympathize with the kids. I don't really watch anything from Bollywood. So I understand how a bunch of suburban Western kids would be nonplused by those videos. There's probably a bit of ethnocentrism there also. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
You know, for all the hype the last kid is getting, and how smart and perceptive any of these kids are, only the black kid was able to put 2+2 together....
"What country are they from?"
"Korea" (like, is this a trick question?)
Everyone else said Japan or China or something else, including the Asian kid.
Yeah, they may be good at hyping up the show and ranting, but maybe a bit more thinking and a bit less critical is called for. |
The kids' reactions show the reality of how high Korea really ranks in the average western person's mind. Not that high.
If you weren't of Korean decent or lived in Korea, chances are you'd have said Japan or China too. Give the kids a break. Don't get mad at them for not having the reaction you'd wish they'd had.
They told them it was "K-pop" after they showed the videos, so it's not about putting 2+2 together.
Definitely some ethnocentrism going on on both sides here. Non-Koreans could see K-Pop and tend to think "How could we ever like THIS? What is it?" and the Koreans could tend to think "How could they NOT like this? It's Korean!"
If Korea is going to be pushing K-Pop to the world, they'd better be ready for some harsh reactions.
Non-Koreans aren't going to automatically think it's great just because it's Korean. In fact many are going to absolutely hate it.
K-Pop is a double edged sword; the good news is it'll get some exposure, the bad news is it'll get some exposure. Better than Kim jong Il type exposure but still...
The K-pop thing is kind of interesting because it's not so much about the music but more about Korean marketing hype and the obsession to make a mark on the world stage. Ok, get ready for exposure, but don't cry when the reaction isn't ideal. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| They told them it was "K-pop" after they showed the videos, so it's not about putting 2+2 together. |
Are we sure about that one? I got the impression that they new it was called K-Pop but not what it was.
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| Ok, get ready for exposure, but don't cry when the reaction isn't ideal. |
Wise words, again as you put for all sides. Goes for people coming to Korea and stunned that not everyone here loves them. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| They told them it was "K-pop" after they showed the videos, so it's not about putting 2+2 together. |
Are we sure about that one? I got the impression that they new it was called K-Pop but not what it was.
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| Ok, get ready for exposure, but don't cry when the reaction isn't ideal. |
Wise words, again as you put for all sides. Goes for people coming to Korea and stunned that not everyone here loves them. |
Haha you just had to spin it back around huh? Ok whatever.
Back on topic, yes, according to the video they were told it was K-pop AFTER they were shown the video, so why not cut them some slack or you're in danger of sounding just like those rabid K-pop fans from the comments section. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| I can sympathize with the kids. I don't really watch anything from Bollywood. So I understand how a bunch of suburban Western kids would be nonplused by those videos. There's probably a bit of ethnocentrism there also. |
My point exactly. It's really that simple. The kids weren't bashing K-pop for the camera, as someone else seems so intent on implying. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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The kids' reactions show the reality of how high Korea really ranks in the average western person's mind. Not that high.
If you weren't of Korean decent or lived in Korea, chances are you'd have said Japan or China too. Give the kids a break. Don't get mad at them for not having the reaction you'd wish they'd had.
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My Korean teacher who's an adult told me the word 'pop' in Korean means 'American pop music', despite the fact that a lot of what Koreans listen to might come from other Western countries. She or most other Koreans don't know or care where it comes from, they categorize it in the easiest way just like people do in the West. I'm not sure that's any indication of how high a country 'ranks in people's minds', it's just more convenient. Come to think of it I don't know where most Western pop acts come from these days - or care |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| They told them it was "K-pop" after they showed the videos, so it's not about putting 2+2 together. |
Are we sure about that one? I got the impression that they new it was called K-Pop but not what it was.
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| Ok, get ready for exposure, but don't cry when the reaction isn't ideal. |
Wise words, again as you put for all sides. Goes for people coming to Korea and stunned that not everyone here loves them. |
Haha you just had to spin it back around huh? Ok whatever.
Back on topic, yes, according to the video they were told it was K-pop AFTER they were shown the video, so why not cut them some slack or you're in danger of sounding just like those rabid K-pop fans from the comments section. |
I kinda wish it wasn't, not just cuz it made the black kid look good, but it would have been an "Alex Trebek-Indian guy, ooo that one hurts" moment when the kid was wrong. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Actual quote from the comments of the article:
"Melli 2 days ago
Kpop To me is special it�s that one place you can go to and be yourself and leave all this crap we call music here in America!"
Bahahahahaha
Also the OP of this thread does not know anything about these videos. It's not scripted. They use the same kids every week week because they're the ones with the best reactions. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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The kids' reactions show the reality of how high Korea really ranks in the average western person's mind. Not that high.
If you weren't of Korean decent or lived in Korea, chances are you'd have said Japan or China too. Give the kids a break. Don't get mad at them for not having the reaction you'd wish they'd had.
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My Korean teacher who's an adult told me the word 'pop' in Korean means 'American pop music', despite the fact that a lot of what Koreans listen to might come from other Western countries. She or most other Koreans don't know or care where it comes from, they categorize it in the easiest way just like people do in the West. I'm not sure that's any indication of how high a country 'ranks in people's minds', it's just more convenient. Come to think of it I don't know where most Western pop acts come from these days - or care |
Yeah, on average they don't really know or care where most 'pop' comes from. As far as many are concerned, pop was made in Korea, and in their mind other music is a 'sound alike' to K-pop; which is of course the very reverse of reality. It wouldn't even exist without 80's 90's and current American pop/RnB/HipHop and Euro dance. The only way K-pop could sound original and fresh is if you'd never heard the original Western versions they copied from, which is the case in Korea.
And in terms of 'ranking in people's minds' I meant in terms of perceived popularity and influence. You may not know or care where most Western pop acts come from, but if asked to guess you'd probably most likely answer U.S.A or England, and NOT New Zealand. Though I'm guessing we wouldn't see NZ netizens going on the attack when they weren't chosen.
(Not bagging on NZ...if anyone wants to hear some good 90's indie guitar pop, check out The Bats; almost like a lo-fi, happier but less tuneful version of The Smiths, but they grow on you. That's the only NZ band I can think of before the coffee kicks in). |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Ok, get ready for exposure, but don't cry when the reaction isn't ideal. |
Wise words, again as you put for all sides. Goes for people coming to Korea and stunned that not everyone here loves them. |
Korea is a land of paradox. It's where you are at the same time a celebrity and where no one gives a ^&*% about you. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Gorf wrote: |
Also the OP of this thread does not know anything about these videos. It's not scripted. They use the same kids every week week because they're the ones with the best reactions. |
I think I explained that "scripted" was a poor choice of words. Of did you not bother to read all of that...you know....the thread? |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
| Gorf wrote: |
Also the OP of this thread does not know anything about these videos. It's not scripted. They use the same kids every week week because they're the ones with the best reactions. |
I think I explained that "scripted" was a poor choice of words. Of did you not bother to read all of that...you know....the thread? |
I must admit, you're probably right when you say that the kids are 'pros' and may have been laying it on rather thick because they knew that's what's expected of them. But, I still think that they honestly didn't like the music. Someone else mentioned ethnocentrism as one of the reasons, and I'm inclined to agree with that assertion. After all, one kid reacts by bemoaning that he wasn't born in the '80s, and yet K-pop is deeply influenced by the music of that decade. |
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