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rollo
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| Not an outrage but boring and predictable. Just as the posts are predictable. The BBC plays to anti americanism and deflects the fact that Britain is circling the drain. Poverty and income disparity are extensively covered in the U.S. in books articles and documentaries. it has even been highlighted in the recent political campaign. The question is why not poverty in Britain. Manipulation!! The british media has the reputation for deceit , wire tapping and other criminal behavior. Enjoy |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:18 am Post subject: ... |
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| Not an outrage but boring and predictable. Just as the posts are predictable. The BBC plays to anti americanism and deflects the fact that Britain is circling the drain. Poverty and income disparity are extensively covered in the U.S. in books articles and documentaries. it has even been highlighted in the recent political campaign. The question is why not poverty in Britain. Manipulation!! The british media has the reputation for deceit , wire tapping and other criminal behavior. Enjoy |
Korea helped me a lot to see the folly of nationalism. Trash talk is trash talk, whether it be in defense or promotion of a false ego. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Not an outrage but boring and predictable. Just as the posts are predictable. The BBC plays to anti americanism and deflects the fact that Britain is circling the drain. Poverty and income disparity are extensively covered in the U.S. in books articles and documentaries. it has even been highlighted in the recent political campaign. The question is why not poverty in Britain. Manipulation!! The british media has the reputation for deceit , wire tapping and other criminal behavior. Enjoy |
Korea helped me a lot to see the folly of nationalism. Trash talk is trash talk, whether it be in defense or promotion of a false ego. |
Cheers to that. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
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| Not an outrage but boring and predictable. Just as the posts are predictable. The BBC plays to anti americanism and deflects the fact that Britain is circling the drain. Poverty and income disparity are extensively covered in the U.S. in books articles and documentaries. it has even been highlighted in the recent political campaign. The question is why not poverty in Britain. Manipulation!! The british media has the reputation for deceit , wire tapping and other criminal behavior. Enjoy |
Korea helped me a lot to see the folly of nationalism. Trash talk is trash talk, whether it be in defense or promotion of a false ego. |
Folly of nationalism sounds a lot like the pride of an ex-pat, to me. Don't get me wrong, a lot of displays of nationalism and chest-beating seem ridiculous. But having a sense of identity come from your country of origin? This is more healthy and foundational to our psychology than academics or ex-pats often allow. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:35 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Not an outrage but boring and predictable. Just as the posts are predictable. The BBC plays to anti americanism and deflects the fact that Britain is circling the drain. Poverty and income disparity are extensively covered in the U.S. in books articles and documentaries. it has even been highlighted in the recent political campaign. The question is why not poverty in Britain. Manipulation!! The british media has the reputation for deceit , wire tapping and other criminal behavior. Enjoy |
Korea helped me a lot to see the folly of nationalism. Trash talk is trash talk, whether it be in defense or promotion of a false ego. |
Folly of nationalism sounds a lot like the pride of an ex-pat, to me. Don't get me wrong, a lot of displays of nationalism and chest-beating seem ridiculous. But having a sense of identity come from your country of origin? This is more healthy and foundational to our psychology than academics or ex-pats often allow. |
In the 100,000+ years of humanity's time on earth, how long have we had nations? A couple of those millenia? Not even that, keeping in mind that the concept of a nation-state as we understand it today is something that didn't even take shape until the 19th century.
Having a sense of identity that is formed in part by one's place of origin or other social construct (not necessarily nation) is simply inevitable and doesn't need to be bolstered with propaganda to survive; but identity being coterminous with nation-state citizenship is a distinctly 19th/20th century neurosis.
And then in the case of some nations (often small or less powerful ones with a point to prove - ehem..) national identity goes hand in hand with ethnic identity - that's where things start to get really screwed up.
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~ Nationalism ... is like cheap alcohol. First it makes you drunk, then it makes you blind, then it kills you. ~ |
+10
some other nice quotes:
http://www.finestquotes.com/select_quote-category-Nationalism-page-0.htm |
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Nowhere Man
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: ... |
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| Folly of nationalism sounds a lot like the pride of an ex-pat, to me. Don't get me wrong, a lot of displays of nationalism and chest-beating seem ridiculous. But having a sense of identity come from your country of origin? This is more healthy and foundational to our psychology than academics or ex-pats often allow. |
It goes right back to my family analogy. A sense of identity in where you're from is fine. Celebrating it is fine, too, but not at the expense of others, and competition in this respect is generally unhealthy. I don't visit other countries to determine whether mine is better any more than I visit other families to determine whether mine is better. To do so is not healthy. It's a sign of insecurity.
If someone talks smack about my family (or my country), those could be fighting words, but really, who is saying it and do their comments have any merit to start with? Will I lower myself to start slagging off their family/country in kind? Or is that actually giving power to trash talk that doesn't deserve it? |
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Yeah nationalism! trying to find flaws in another country so you can feel better about your own country seems to be the very definition of nationalism.
But enjoy this and watch it as often as you want to. I fully realize that most of you will try to work in the U.S. and your dream is to be a citizen of the U.S. Be careful filling out the paperwork and there may be a U.S. green card in your future. Good luck, Brits in Korea are really stuck there is literally nothing to go home to,riots and poverty is all that is left.n
Good luck! |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
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| Folly of nationalism sounds a lot like the pride of an ex-pat, to me. Don't get me wrong, a lot of displays of nationalism and chest-beating seem ridiculous. But having a sense of identity come from your country of origin? This is more healthy and foundational to our psychology than academics or ex-pats often allow. |
It goes right back to my family analogy. A sense of identity in where you're from is fine. Celebrating it is fine, too, but not at the expense of others, and competition in this respect is generally unhealthy. I don't visit other countries to determine whether mine is better any more than I visit other families to determine whether mine is better. To do so is not healthy. It's a sign of insecurity. |
I agree with all that. But its also healthy to believe your nation, like your family, fits you the best. It probably does, anyway.
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| Having a sense of identity that is formed in part by one's place of origin or other social construct (not necessarily nation) is simply inevitable and doesn't need to be bolstered with propaganda to survive; but identity being coterminous with nation-state citizenship is a distinctly 19th/20th century neurosis. |
Nation-states are a 19th/20th Century phenomenon, and are the modern extensions and manifestations of tribalism. Insofar as identity has expanded to include more groups of greater number of individuals, it is healthy. I never defended nationalist propaganda, by the way. In fact I called a lot of it ridiculous. But just because a lot of religious manifestation is ridiculous doesn't make Richard Dawkins' sneering arrogance much more of an improvement. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Nation-states are a 19th/20th Century phenomenon, and are the modern extensions and manifestations of tribalism. Insofar as identity has expanded to include more groups of greater number of individuals, it is healthy. |
You make an important point there. Secular, pluralistic nation-states are probably the best form of social organisation that humans have come up with yet, and are not in themselves linked to the "nationalistic" impulse. Historically, the more aggressive nationalisms have so often gone hand-in-hand with a kind of paranoid ethnocentrism (North Korea being the nonpareil in that field...) as to leave little to choose between nationalism and Stone age tribalism. I don't want either of them, but at least the latter doesn't have battleships and nukes.
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Yeah nationalism! trying to find flaws in another country so you can feel better about your own country seems to be the very definition of nationalism.
But enjoy this and watch it as often as you want to. I fully realize that most of you will try to work in the U.S. and your dream is to be a citizen of the U.S. Be careful filling out the paperwork and there may be a U.S. green card in your future. Good luck, Brits in Korea are really stuck there is literally nothing to go home to,riots and poverty is all that is left.n
Good luck! |
This person has really no self-awareness at all, does he? ^
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rollo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Dearest flow tear. having fun goosing some people who cant understand the humor in this thread. The BBC making a documentary about poverty in the U.Sand the usual group of young Brits and Canadians get an erection. The premise that .know nothing about their own country and no other country has poverty. None seeing the obvious attempt to deflect attention away from Britains own financial crisis by a government propagand agency that has little credibility left after all its recent scandals.
You guys are funny!! SAd but funny. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Dearest flow tear. having fun goosing some people who cant understand the humor in this thread. The BBC making a documentary about poverty in the U.Sand the usual group of young Brits and Canadians get an erection. The premise that .know nothing about their own country and no other country has poverty. None seeing the obvious attempt to deflect attention away from Britains own financial crisis by a government propagand agency that has little credibility left after all its recent scandals.
You guys are funny!! SAd but funny. |
No you're funny, with your spastic illegibile typing and hyper-defensiveness. As for the "government propagand agency that has little credibility left after all its recent scandals".... to what scandals are you referring? Murdoch's phone-hacking scandals evidently... please be advised that the BBC is not part of News Corp, so I'd say your credibility is considerably lower than that of the BBC.
BBC News - Child poverty in UK 'likely to get worse'
BBC News - UK seeing a big rise in poverty, says IFS
BBC One - Poor Kids
BBC NEWS | UK | 'Millions' of UK young in poverty
Just the first-page results of a google search, mind you, so I'm not digging very far to find this.
Wounded parochial ignorance and sullen, xenophobic resentment... too funny. Sad, but funny. |
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rollo
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| No actually I was refering to several incidents that occurred in early 2000 where it was dtermined that the BBC had basically told falshoods but anyway. Thanks for you input. Sory you are so sensitive. Enjoy the ride to the bottom. Just think about why a government propagand agency would misdirect you. Murdoch was the power in Britain for some time, news corp. ran the whole show. it ran wild and phone hacked, bribed at will and still no criminal charges, cant really trust British media. But the interest in the U.S. is great. Good luck with your visa and hope you get your U.S. green card. Good luck |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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It's an improvement...refreshingly so.
Thanks for that link. |
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geldedgoat
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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It's an improvement...refreshingly so.
Thanks for that link. |
The pseudointellectual conceit that seems to have infected recent atheist philosophy is an improvement over nothing. Replacing bad logic with different bad logic should not be praised. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| No actually I was refering to several incidents that occurred in early 2000 where it was dtermined that the BBC had basically told falshoods but anyway. Thanks for you input. Sory you are so sensitive. Enjoy the ride to the bottom. Just think about why a government propagand agency would misdirect you. Murdoch was the power in Britain for some time, news corp. ran the whole show. it ran wild and phone hacked, bribed at will and still no criminal charges, cant really trust British media. But the interest in the U.S. is great. Good luck with your visa and hope you get your U.S. green card. Good luck |
We all know the wildly-popular Fox News (Murdoch-owned) is such a great source of serious investigative journalism. I try not to spend much time pondering what its popularity says about the American public.
I am a US citizen and had my first US passport when I was nine, Mr Trollypants. I suppose it didn't occur to you that someone could be anything other than a blustering partisan of his own country "right or wrong", did you? Looking down on people like you is a higher form of patriotism.
Enough of this. I'm losing brain cells from just glancing at your posts. |
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