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rainman3277
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| northway wrote: |
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I don't understand any of the flames in my direction on this thread. The question raised was why Koreans would consider Ansan Station to be a dangerous place. I posted that there are often groups of drunken foreign men outside the station hitting on women. If you've actually been there, and not just read about it on someone's three year-old blog post, you would understand the situation and why Koreans would consider it an unpleasant place to be, at times. Even in some of your countries the home folks would consider a subway station with large groups of drunken foreigners to be a place to avoid.
And perhaps its a gender thing. Guys want to act tough and women more cautious. |
I'm not sure if saying, "I don't want to go there, there are drunk people who don't look like me" is ever really an acceptable statement. |
Agreed. It's the prejudice assumption against people from '3rd world countries'. By the numbers I'd be much more worried about a girl going out on a simple drinking date in korea. I've been shocked by the amount of date rapes I've heard about. |
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cdninkorea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed. It's the prejudice assumption against people from '3rd worldcountries'. By the numbers I'd be much more worried about a girl going out on a simple drinking date in korea. I've been shocked by the amount of date rapes I've heard about. |
I don't doubt that date rape happens (or even that it happens a lot), but in a country so secretive about sex, who are all these women telling you these stories? |
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northway
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| rainman3277 wrote: |
Agreed. It's the prejudice assumption against people from '3rd worldcountries'. By the numbers I'd be much more worried about a girl going out on a simple drinking date in korea. I've been shocked by the amount of date rapes I've heard about. |
I don't doubt that date rape happens (or even that it happens a lot), but in a country so secretive about sex, who are all these women telling you these stories? |
I've hung out with Korean girls and had them talk about guys trying to get them to drink to the point that they couldn't say no and laughing about it like it's a normal and okay thing to do, like "silly boys". It's not like this doesn't happen in the West, but I haven't encountered women there who are quite as willing to shrug off the practice as simply being something that happens. |
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rainman3277
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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Agreed. It's the prejudice assumption against people from '3rd worldcountries'. By the numbers I'd be much more worried about a girl going out on a simple drinking date in korea. I've been shocked by the amount of date rapes I've heard about. |
I don't doubt that date rape happens (or even that it happens a lot), but in a country so secretive about sex, who are all these women telling you these stories? |
I've hung out with Korean girls and had them talk about guys trying to get them to drink to the point that they couldn't say no and laughing about it like it's a normal and okay thing to do, like "silly boys". It's not like this doesn't happen in the West, but I haven't encountered women there who are quite as willing to shrug off the practice as simply being something that happens. |
that's how i would describe it. In most instances the girl doesn't describe it as "date rape" (cause i don't know if it or spousal rape is considered rape here) And I've heard it from an exgirlfriend which lead to conversations with my buddies who reported the same. |
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jacksthirty
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The Koreans might be referring to a couple of older stories in Ansan. A few years ago, a suitcase was found with body parts inside. Another time, a teenage girl was raped and tortured in the toilets. There's a fair bit of organised crime there as well. |
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sojusucks
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
| rainman3277 wrote: |
Agreed. It's the prejudice assumption against people from '3rd worldcountries'. By the numbers I'd be much more worried about a girl going out on a simple drinking date in korea. I've been shocked by the amount of date rapes I've heard about. |
I don't doubt that date rape happens (or even that it happens a lot), but in a country so secretive about sex, who are all these women telling you these stories? |
I've hung out with Korean girls and had them talk about guys trying to get them to drink to the point that they couldn't say no and laughing about it like it's a normal and okay thing to do, like "silly boys". It's not like this doesn't happen in the West, but I haven't encountered women there who are quite as willing to shrug off the practice as simply being something that happens. |
It's not prejudice if it is based upon fact. I guess I have lived here longer than those claiming this and have more life experience here. |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
| rainman3277 wrote: |
Agreed. It's the prejudice assumption against people from '3rd worldcountries'. By the numbers I'd be much more worried about a girl going out on a simple drinking date in korea. I've been shocked by the amount of date rapes I've heard about. |
I don't doubt that date rape happens (or even that it happens a lot), but in a country so secretive about sex, who are all these women telling you these stories? |
I've hung out with Korean girls and had them talk about guys trying to get them to drink to the point that they couldn't say no and laughing about it like it's a normal and okay thing to do, like "silly boys". It's not like this doesn't happen in the West, but I haven't encountered women there who are quite as willing to shrug off the practice as simply being something that happens. |
It's not prejudice if it is based upon fact. I guess I have lived here longer than those claiming this and have more life experience here. |
What exactly are you referring to? Yes, South and Southeast Asians get drunk near Ansan Station. That doesn't make it any more dangerous than taking Line 2 through Sadang. Being scared of foreigners is, by definition, xenophobia. |
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litebear
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
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| rainman3277 wrote: |
Agreed. It's the prejudice assumption against people from '3rd worldcountries'. By the numbers I'd be much more worried about a girl going out on a simple drinking date in korea. I've been shocked by the amount of date rapes I've heard about. |
I don't doubt that date rape happens (or even that it happens a lot), but in a country so secretive about sex, who are all these women telling you these stories? |
I've hung out with Korean girls and had them talk about guys trying to get them to drink to the point that they couldn't say no and laughing about it like it's a normal and okay thing to do, like "silly boys". It's not like this doesn't happen in the West, but I haven't encountered women there who are quite as willing to shrug off the practice as simply being something that happens. |
It's not prejudice if it is based upon fact. I guess I have lived here longer than those claiming this and have more life experience here. |
That is quite insulting, IMO. You assume that everyone else with a different opinion to yours must have less "life experience". Quite a high opinion of yourself... |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
| I don't understand any of the flames in my direction on this thread. The question raised was why Koreans would consider Ansan Station to be a dangerous place. I posted that there are often groups of drunken foreign men outside the station hitting on women. |
I think its because guys "Hitting on" women isn't very supporting of your assumption that Ansan is anymore dangerous than anywhere else where. Since when is getting hit on considered dangerous? |
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Julius
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Being scared of foreigners is, by definition, xenophobia. |
I recieved some pretty racist treatment at Ansan station from koreans.
I'm fairly swarthy looking so they probably assumed I was a SE Asian. |
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premiummince
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| sojusucks wrote: |
| I don't understand any of the flames in my direction on this thread. The question raised was why Koreans would consider Ansan Station to be a dangerous place. I posted that there are often groups of drunken foreign men outside the station hitting on women. |
I think its because guys "Hitting on" women isn't very supporting of your assumption that Ansan is anymore dangerous than anywhere else where. Since when is getting hit on considered dangerous? |
I would consider a compliment and, in fact, go there more often. |
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chickenpie
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand any of the flames in my direction on this thread. The question raised was why Koreans would consider Ansan Station to be a dangerous place. I posted that there are often groups of drunken foreign men outside the station hitting on women. If you've actually been there, and not just read about it on someone's three year-old blog post, you would understand the situation and why Koreans would consider it an unpleasant place to be, at times. Even in some of your countries the home folks would consider a subway station with large groups of drunken foreigners to be a place to avoid.
And perhaps its a gender thing. Guys want to act tough and women more cautious. |
Strange comment, I've been living just outside of Ansan for the last eight years and frequently go the the area around Ansan station.........I've never seen what you are talking about to be honest. Most of the foreign works are from Islamic counties and don't drink alcohol, the ones that do drink are mainly Chinese and spend the evening dancing around the square.
I even went there earlier tonight with one of my students and my wife, it was my students first visit to the area and he was visibly shaken by being surrounded by so many (dark skinned) foreign people (he is only 17). My wife and I, and many other Koreans and non Koreans I've taken there for Indian food have never batted an eyelid... |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| There's no excuse for the police to allow anyone to lay around drunk outside a subway station. Seoul Station, Jongno 3-ga, and Byeongjeom Stations seem to be popular with large groups of adjoshi drunks and it definitely creates a negative atmosphere for the rest of us. If some Koreans find it "dangerous" when foreign workers to do it at Ansan Station hopefully they will also urge a crackdown at other stations. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| he was visibly shaken by being surrounded by so many (dark skinned) foreign people (he is only 17). |
We can make excuses for a 17 year old...but the fact is many grown adults show the same nervous fear. |
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sojusucks
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| chickenpie wrote: |
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I don't understand any of the flames in my direction on this thread. The question raised was why Koreans would consider Ansan Station to be a dangerous place. I posted that there are often groups of drunken foreign men outside the station hitting on women. If you've actually been there, and not just read about it on someone's three year-old blog post, you would understand the situation and why Koreans would consider it an unpleasant place to be, at times. Even in some of your countries the home folks would consider a subway station with large groups of drunken foreigners to be a place to avoid.
And perhaps its a gender thing. Guys want to act tough and women more cautious. |
Strange comment, I've been living just outside of Ansan for the last eight years and frequently go the the area around Ansan station.........I've never seen what you are talking about to be honest. Most of the foreign works are from Islamic counties and don't drink alcohol, the ones that do drink are mainly Chinese and spend the evening dancing around the square.
I even went there earlier tonight with one of my students and my wife, it was my students first visit to the area and he was visibly shaken by being surrounded by so many (dark skinned) foreign people (he is only 17). My wife and I, and many other Koreans and non Koreans I've taken there for Indian food have never batted an eyelid... |
Actually your comment is strange. You claim you've never seen foreigners drinking outside the station and then you say you have seen foreigners drinking and dancing. Then you claim to have no idea why Koreans fear the station and then you admit that a younger Korean with you was afraid of the darker skinned foreigners. As for your comment about "Most of the foreign works are from Islamic counties and don't drink alcohol," what are you talking about? There are plenty of foreign workers from Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, and the Philippines and those are not "muslim nations." Besides, plenty of muslim men drink, especially when they are away from home. |
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