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edwardcatflap
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| Top international schools charge up to 2 million won a month fees so just ask yourself the question. Would you pay that much money to send your kid to a school where his teacher had no teaching qualifications at all. Even if he looked like Brad Pitt and wore Armani every day? |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
There's often a big difference between top tier schools in working conditions and top tier schools in reputation.
And are you sure he was hired as a teacher as opposed to being a teacher's assistant ? |
No he was hired as a teacher. He did have a few years teaching experience here and in his home country. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:36 am Post subject: Re: Posters Spreading Misinformation About Uni and Internati |
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| creeper1 wrote: |
Reading Dave's for as long as I have has made me form certain opinions about Uni jobs and International School jobs.
The constant negativity and "can't do" attitude dissuaded me from trying for these jobs.
According to dave's posters you can't get a uni job without an in-person, face to face interview in Korea. WRONG - I know of two people who landed uni jobs without going to Korea. They had experience of hagwons/PS but it was either no interview or a skype interview.
According to dave's posters you can't get an international school job without some kind of educational degree and realistically speaking two years of teaching in a western country. WRONG. Someone I know got an international school job without educational credentials and he just ESL experience.
It is my fault I paid attention to these posts. Wish I hadn't now. |
1- A lot of experienced people say (and this is true) that it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that an applicant will get a university job if he or she is applying from abroad. Highly unlikely does not mean impossible. So to be extra crispy clear: if a person wants a University job they are better served by applying from within Korea but they can also try from abroad even if the odds are dramatically lower.
2- International schools are not all created equal. For example, I know one particular school in Busan whose staff is ENTIRELY composed of certified and experienced teachers. If an applicant has significant experience he or she can of course apply and could possibly land a job. Most accredited and serious international schools will require certification for the desired level of teaching AND a degree in the subject you will be teaching in. In that case ESL experience is not really that much of a bonus as you will typicaly not be hired to teach ESL-TEFL but rather a subject area like science, social studies....
The issue discussed by experienced teachers here is mostly one of ODDS as in chances of landing a position. Anyone is free to apply, from anywhere. However, being aware of what the odds are may mean that this person will not put all their eggs in one basket. Finally blaming posts on here for your employment decisions is a bit much... |
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Hyeon In
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Smithington wrote: |
I wish someone could compile a comprehensive list of "unigwons" (as opposed to real university jobs) so that fewer people would be deceived into signing a contract (on university heading  ) for what is, for all intents and purposes, a Wonderland job.
How about a sticky? |
Don't need a sticky, figure it out like this:
Teaching Hours:
Good job 9-12 (maybe 15) hours a week
Unigwon 15-30 hours a week
Vacation:
Good job 20-22 weeks a year (maybe 4 weeks of camp, optional)
Unigwon 8-12 weeks (if it's less than 8, just call it a hagwon)
Pay:
Good job: Anything
Unigwon: Anything
Pay is very flexible because different people have different priorities. For perspective, here's my job:
9 hours/week, 22 weeks vacation, 3.4m/month plus a few other dribs and drabs. It's one of the better jobs I know of for those without superior qualifications. The hours are great, but the pay is kind of sucky still though. I have to work another job to get by. |
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mandrews1985
Joined: 12 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| Hyeon In wrote: |
Don't need a sticky, figure it out like this:
Teaching Hours:
Good job 9-12 (maybe 15) hours a week
Unigwon 15-30 hours a week
Vacation:
Good job 20-22 weeks a year (maybe 4 weeks of camp, optional)
Unigwon 8-12 weeks (if it's less than 8, just call it a hagwon)
Pay:
Good job: Anything
Unigwon: Anything
Pay is very flexible because different people have different priorities. For perspective, here's my job:
9 hours/week, 22 weeks vacation, 3.4m/month plus a few other dribs and drabs. It's one of the better jobs I know of for those without superior qualifications. The hours are great, but the pay is kind of sucky still though. I have to work another job to get by. |
You get 3.4 million a month and you need another job to get by? Either you're out every weekend making it rain living like a Patrick Bateman or you've got a family or something doesnt add up. Most noobies are on 2.1 per month, and most that i know, including myself send close to half of that home each month and survive fine so to say 3.4 mil is sucky and you need another job is crazy...
Oh and most hagwons get 10 days paid vacation, there's quite a big difference between that and some where less than 8 weeks. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, either that was a bit of showing off or he is totally clueless about average TEFL salaries here |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Well he does have a wife...probably a family too. |
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mandrews1985
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Well he does have a wife...probably a family too. |
I don't see that information anywhere else...but if he's married to a foreigner you can add another 2-3 million per month to monthly income. If they've got a kid and maybe the wife doesn't work, i still cant see someone earning that kind of pay here being hard up.
Of course I am only presuming because I don't have a wife or/and kids, but looking at my single lifestyle here I can easily live on 500k a month if I'm short of cash/trying save. 800k if i plan on making it rain lol |
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Hyeon In
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: |
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I think we're getting a bit off-topic, but I'll address the last few comments.
Yes I have a family. A wife, a kid and another on the way, and two cats. This doesn't mean I "deserve" more money, but it DOES mean I look harder for it. I figure, if you can get by on 1m a month, you look for 1m a month. If you can get by on 2m a month, you look for 2m a month etc. I 'need' 4m a month so I look for that.
Call me stupid or crazy or whatever you want, but I currently pay 1.2m a month on rent, .5m on a car payment, .5m a month on bills, and lots and lots on food. My university job gives me exactly enough money to break even, if we have no sudden expenses that month.
I think if you are going to look at University or International school salaries, you should look at them from the point of view of someone who has a family to support. Sure, there are the occasional employees who remain young and single forever, but at these kind of better jobs you usually run into people with families to support and all that that entails. |
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Hyeon In
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Yes, either that was a bit of showing off or he is totally clueless about average TEFL salaries here |
My first year here I earned 1.8m a month.
Now I earn more than that.
I'm neither clueless about TEFL salaries here, or trying to boast. I'm merely trying to tell people what is available. I've read about your income here many times edwardcatflap, I'm sure you were no more boasting than I am. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:04 am Post subject: |
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I simply picked you up on the fact that you said 'a salary of 3.4 million for 9 hours work was kind of sucky.' Knowing, as I assume you do, that most posters on here work up to 30 hours a week for around 2 million won, I think you can appreciate that your comments might get a few people's backs up. As they did with mandrews1985.
As far as I'm aware I've never complained about my salary on here in the same way. I'm very grateful for it. |
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Hyeon In
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
I simply picked you up on the fact that you said 'a salary of 3.4 million for 9 hours work was kind of sucky.' Knowing, as I assume you do, that most posters on here work up to 30 hours a week for around 2 million won, I think you can appreciate that your comments might get a few people's backs up. As they did with mandrews1985.
As far as I'm aware I've never complained about my salary on here in the same way. I'm very grateful for it. |
I guess you're right, my apologies. I was trying to get across the idea that it's not *that* much money. It is what it is. When you're young and single it's a GREAT salary. But when you're older with a family it's more of a"that's what you need to get by" kind of salary.
I intend to multiply that salary by ten within the next few years. But that's just a plan, maybe I'll fail. If I do, I'll be up there with.. middle of the road American contractors. |
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Nick Adams
Joined: 26 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Top international schools charge up to 2 million won a month fees so just ask yourself the question. Would you pay that much money to send your kid to a school where his teacher had no teaching qualifications at all. Even if he looked like Brad Pitt and wore Armani every day? |
Korea has lots of international schools. Some of them are not "real" international schools (i.e. accredited by an academic institution like WASC or Middle States Association or COIS, using an organized curriculum, staffed by certified, experienced teachers). Korea now has 5 or 6 real international schools and a handful more that are in the process of developing.
Some of the Christian schools do not require certification of teachers. They focus more on the, er, spiritual side of things. Some Christian schools also pay very, very little. Or extensively employ "interns".
The most expensive international school in Korea is Chadwick International School out in the new Songdo IBD. Tuition for next year is $14,000 USD plus 22 million Korean won for one year as a high school student. So, let's call that $35,000 USD per year:
http://www.chadwickinternational.org/page.cfm?p=3202
Legit international schools in Korea are charging $20,000-$35,000 USD in tuition, per year. Families that can afford this don't just send their kid one year. It is usually either K-12 or 7-12 or 9-12. Some families spend half a million+ USD to educate one child (international school, hagwons and tutors, summer programs overseas, university overseas). These parents won't accept unqualified teachers. They aren't duped by the Armani label sewed on the no-name suit from Itaewon or Khosan Road. Sorry, a suit and a smile are not enough.
Schools like this will not hire unqualified teachers. Or teachers "thinking about enrolling" in a certification program. An ESL certificate is not enough.
Being an international school teacher, at a real school, is a good to great job. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| I know a Ph.D. working at HUFS whose office is a shared desk in a room with others. He teaches non-hagwon classes. I believe he has a shared computer, too. He didn't complain, but he did mention that to our boss at our school, where he used to work, and had a 9 pyung office to himself. Everyone was kind of shocked, and glad we have a nicer office situation. |
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scotttteacher
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:45 am Post subject: Hankuk University of Forgien Studies |
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Hi
I just did an interview for a job at Hankuk University of Foreign Studies (HUFS) in Yongin. I'm just wondering if it is the Hankuk University being mentioned here.
I've been offered 3.5mil for hours of 9-5 plus housing in the dorms on campus. But I only have a BA so I'm skeptical.
Is the Hankuk University being mentioned here in Yongin? |
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