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slothrop
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as a funny aside, a rumor doesn't have to be believable, it just has to be funny.  jeez. u sure take your hideki irabu banter seriously. what did you lose a load of money betting on him once upon a time? you sound like vincent gallo in bufallo '66.  he was big in japan too...spannnnning time
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| I'm going to go ahead and shift gears a bit: Bryce Harper, anyone? I'll admit, I didn't totally buy not the hype prior to seeing him play, but wow! The arm I saw coming, but his speed has really surprised me; the guy is ridiculously fast. Though I'm a fan of an NL East rival, I can't help rooting for the kid. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| I'm going to go ahead and shift gears a bit: Bryce Harper, anyone? I'll admit, I didn't totally buy not the hype prior to seeing him play, but wow! The arm I saw coming, but his speed has really surprised me; the guy is ridiculously fast. Though I'm a fan of an NL East rival, I can't help rooting for the kid. |
When I was watching MLB Network/ESPN almost daily before I came to Korea, Harper was being propped up large. I saw a video of him raking home runs in BP. I'm not in on the ins since I left the states, but he was determined to be a freak. Baseball is such a pristine sport because it's so hard to find a guy who has even three tools, let alone four or five. As a huge fan of the game, I too love seeing how these highly touted prospects assimilate, but they always struggle, because it's a sport of meticulous repetition. Such a difficult game to learn at the pro level, which is what makes it the best sport, IMO. Harper reminds me of my own Braves' Jason Heyward, also an NL East rival to the Nats. But, for some reason I can't remember, I thought you were from New England. If you're a Phillies fan from Boston, god help you, my two most hated sports cities, fan wise. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| I'm going to go ahead and shift gears a bit: Bryce Harper, anyone? I'll admit, I didn't totally buy not the hype prior to seeing him play, but wow! The arm I saw coming, but his speed has really surprised me; the guy is ridiculously fast. Though I'm a fan of an NL East rival, I can't help rooting for the kid. |
When I was watching MLB Network/ESPN almost daily before I came to Korea, Harper was being propped up large. I saw a video of him raking home runs in BP. I'm not in on the ins since I left the states, but he was determined to be a freak. Baseball is such a pristine sport because it's so hard to find a guy who has even three tools, let alone four or five. As a huge fan of the game, I too love seeing how these highly touted prospects assimilate, but they always struggle, because it's a sport of meticulous repetition. Such a difficult game to learn at the pro level, which is what makes it the best sport, IMO. Harper reminds me of my own Braves' Jason Heyward, also an NL East rival to the Nats. But, for some reason I can't remember, I thought you were from New England. If you're a Phillies fan from Boston, god help you, my two most hated sports cities, fan wise. |
I'm am from New England, but I'm a Mets fan. When I was growing up Western Mass was Sox country, but quite a bit more mixed than it is now, as few people had cable and the Sox kind of stunk. On top of that, there isn't a lot of love lost between Western Mass and Boston. My father being from New York, I ended up with the blue and orange. Hey, at least no one can ever call me a bandwagoner (a pink hat, in the Boston parlance). Considering the direction Red Sox fandom has gone in, I feel like I dodged a bullet, series victories or no.
As for the Braves, Heyward is one of my favorite young players, and after years of hating Chipper I've come to love him for having contributed so much to the Mets-Braves rivalry over the course of his career (and playing a big part in there being any rivalry to speak of). I loved that the Cards cut his number into the outfield this past weekend. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| jfromtheway wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| I'm going to go ahead and shift gears a bit: Bryce Harper, anyone? I'll admit, I didn't totally buy not the hype prior to seeing him play, but wow! The arm I saw coming, but his speed has really surprised me; the guy is ridiculously fast. Though I'm a fan of an NL East rival, I can't help rooting for the kid. |
When I was watching MLB Network/ESPN almost daily before I came to Korea, Harper was being propped up large. I saw a video of him raking home runs in BP. I'm not in on the ins since I left the states, but he was determined to be a freak. Baseball is such a pristine sport because it's so hard to find a guy who has even three tools, let alone four or five. As a huge fan of the game, I too love seeing how these highly touted prospects assimilate, but they always struggle, because it's a sport of meticulous repetition. Such a difficult game to learn at the pro level, which is what makes it the best sport, IMO. Harper reminds me of my own Braves' Jason Heyward, also an NL East rival to the Nats. But, for some reason I can't remember, I thought you were from New England. If you're a Phillies fan from Boston, god help you, my two most hated sports cities, fan wise. |
I'm am from New England, but I'm a Mets fan. When I was growing up Western Mass was Sox country, but quite a bit more mixed than it is now, as few people had cable and the Sox kind of stunk. On top of that, there isn't a lot of love lost between Western Mass and Boston. My father being from New York, I ended up with the blue and orange. Hey, at least no one can ever call me a bandwagoner (a pink hat, in the Boston parlance). Considering the direction Red Sox fandom has gone in, I feel like I dodged a bullet, series victories or no.
As for the Braves, Heyward is one of my favorite young players, and after years of hating Chipper I've come to love him for having contributed so much to the Mets-Braves rivalry over the course of his career (and playing a big part in there being any rivalry to speak of). I loved that the Cards cut his number into the outfield this past weekend. |
Yes. The Braves-Mets rivalry is always a fun one. Chipper has been my favorite baseball player for a while now (even after he knocked up that hooters waitress), and I also have one of his jersey shirts here with me as well (though I obviously prefer my Ichiro in public, sorry Korea fans). I'll have to look up what you said about the Cards # thing tomorrow. But, I can never help but laugh at how Chipper named his daughter Shea. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| mets fan here. best baseball memories... watching doc gooden those first 2 years. favorite player now? none. hoping to acquire some by dealing wright, santana, bay, and anyone else not under team control for at least the next 3 years. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Most of the Mets fans I know are actually pretty cool with Chipper at this point, and enjoy the fact that he named his daughter after the stadium in which he absolutely demolished us for the better part of fifteen years. I feel like Chipper recognizes what the rivalry means, without taking it too seriously (unlike J-Roll, Varitek, and my new most hated Philly, Cole Hamels).
As for the Mets, I actually love this year's team. They're not stars, but they're all solid, and they're really fun to watch. They aren't giving away any outs, that's for sure. |
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slothrop
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| mets are fun this year. but i think if some of these guys are having good years and they can get some blue chip prospects for them to build for the future they'd better jump at the chance. jones has had a great career. i'm not sure his career #'s warrant HOF though. what u think? |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Chipper Jones was the best clutch hitter in baseball for five or six years. With runners on and the game on the line he was just impossible to pitch to. Joe mORGAN went on a rant about how deadly Chipper was in runners on in a tight situation right before Jones worked to count fouled off three pitches to finally force the pitcher to give him his pitch and of course bashed it out of the park, winning the game against of course the Mets! Larry Larry Larry screamed by the denizens of Shea was part of the fun of the game in the mid ninties, when Jones came to bat. Hall for sure. MVP, batting title, spark plug of all those division and pennant winning champs. Injuries dogged him the last five years or his numbers would be much better, but he still will be in Cooperstown with Glavine, Smoltz and Maddox
Love Harper, Darvish the next generation. |
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jfromtheway
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| mets are fun this year. but i think if some of these guys are having good years and they can get some blue chip prospects for them to build for the future they'd better jump at the chance. jones has had a great career. i'm not sure his career #'s warrant HOF though. what u think? |
You broke me out of my sleep. Glad I don't work tomorrow. One of the best sluggers ever, batting title in his late 30s, career BA over .300, over 400 HRs, first ballot without question. |
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jfromtheway
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Chipper Jones was the best clutch hitter in baseball for five or six years. With runners on and the game on the line he was just impossible to pitch to. Joe mORGAN went on a rant about how deadly Chipper was in runners on in a tight situation right before Jones worked to count fouled off three pitches to finally force the pitcher to give him his pitch and of course bashed it out of the park, winning the game against of course the Mets! Larry Larry Larry screamed by the denizens of Shea was part of the fun of the game in the mid ninties, when Jones came to bat. Hall for sure. MVP, batting title, spark plug of all those division and pennant winning champs. Injuries dogged him the last five years or his numbers would be much better, but he still will be in Cooperstown with Glavine, Smoltz and Maddox
Love Harper, Darvish the next generation. |
Right on, I'm feeling nostalgic here. I have a ball signed by every member of the WS team of 95. One of the few of my prized posessions. |
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slothrop
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:45 am Post subject: |
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it's no question he's a great player with a great career, however, many
great players whose #'s didn't quite reach milestones, 3000 hits, 500 hr's have been passed over. and as great a player as chipper was, he was not THE best player for several years in a row like mattingly,dale murphy, and juan gonzolez were in their time in their respective leagues. all of which, still not in the hall. and murphy and mattingly were not just the best offensive players in their leagues for half a decade, they were the best defensive players at their position as well. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| mets are fun this year. but i think if some of these guys are having good years and they can get some blue chip prospects for them to build for the future they'd better jump at the chance. jones has had a great career. i'm not sure his career #'s warrant HOF though. what u think? |
You broke me out of my sleep. Glad I don't work tomorrow. One of the best sluggers ever, batting title in his late 30s, career BA over .300, over 400 HRs, first ballot without question. |
You forgot the part about being a switch hitter. I'm pretty sure he will be the only switch hitter to ever finish his career with a career average over .300 and more than 400 homers. He's also got the hardware necessary for a first ballot induction: 1999 MVP, 1995 World Series ring, 2008 batting champion, seven time All-Star. Not to mention that he's always been a great character guy, as far as baseball goes (waitresses notwithstanding). It's a travesty if he doesn't get in on his first try, IMO. |
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slothrop
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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mattingly 1 mvp, juan gone and murph 2 mvps apiece if i am not mistaken. and as for jones being the only switch hitter to hit 300 with 400 hr's, not sure of that is the case, but if it is its only because mantle hit 237 in his last year on bad legs do drag his carrer ave, down to 298, with well over 500 hr's. i'm not sayin jones shouldn't be in the hall, i am sayin not before dale murphy and don mattingly.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/232143-the-top-10-switch-hitters-in-mlb-history |
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northway
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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mattingly 1 mvp, juan gone and murph 2 mvps apiece if i am not mistaken. and as for jones being the only switch hitter to hit 300 with 400 hr's, not sure of that is the case, but if it is its only because mantle hit 237 in his last year on bad legs do drag his carrer ave, down to 298, with well over 500 hr's. i'm not sayin jones shouldn't be in the hall, i am sayin not before dale murphy and don mattingly.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/232143-the-top-10-switch-hitters-in-mlb-history |
The fact that he was old and hurt doesn't make it so that it didn't happen. Chipper has been old and hurt for awhile, yet he's still going to be the first to finish with those numbers.
I actually don't think MVPs should matter, but they do to Hall voters. Murphy and Mattingly were both great players in their respective primes, but they both dropped off significantly later in their careers. Chipper, on the other hand, didn't really suffer a drop in production until after his age 36 season. That said, Baseball Reference's black ink/grey ink ratings do agree with you on Murphy: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/murphda05.shtml. As for Mattingly, not a chance in hell, considering he was pretty mediocre for a first baseman after age 26: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mattido01.shtml. A great four years doesn't garner a ticket to the Hall. |
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