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Scenario: An EMP hits Korea. No More Electricity.
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Pablo



Joined: 15 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the mentality of this thread is the pinnacle of our evolution, then I dare say it's time we left anyway.

This is like a discussion between aliens. Not alien registration card holders- aliens of Sigourney Weaver fame.

Have a nice day.
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comm



Joined: 22 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I felt a great disturbance in the force... as if millions of PC bongers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened"

Universal plan for disasters:
1. Fill all containers with fresh water while there's still water pressure.
2. Inventory and plan a ration schedule for food which is immediately available.
3. Inventory and collect all stores of value (jewelry, cash, documents, etc), then items of use such as multi-tools, compasses, radios, improvised weapons, etc.

The given scenario presents far more potential complications than a standard natural disaster. For one, you'll have some trouble getting into your apartment if it has an electronic lock (though less trouble getting out, if you have a screwdriver). More importantly though, if this were a natural solar flare, the North could easily mistake it for a preemptive attack on command and control... and I suspect that many of their weapons systems are capable of firing without computer assistance.

But assuming I don't hear explosions in the distance, the next step would be trying to buy what I could with cash before the magnitude of the situation sets in. I have enough food in my apartment to survive for a couple of weeks even without supplementing it with post-event purchases. With no identifiable military conflict in progress, I'd likely collect everything above (leaving a ridiculous stash of re-filled would-have-been-recycled water bottles in my apartment) and group with nearby contacts to wait it out. Though it would be nice to snag a bow from the school's archery club...

I'm almost certain that in a peaceful scenario, continuity of operations contingency plans would have the government providing some guidance or information within 3-5 days. This time could be spent preparing for a "worst case scenario" by trading for/creating survival implements such as small game and fish traps, improved weapons, fishing gear, hunting gear, camping supplies, etc. In the unlikely event that government has effectively ceased to exist and communications appear permanently disabled, I would push for my group to migrate south into more sparsely populated areas that are better for foraging.

My group could survive through foraging up until winter, but we'd have to find a nice home on a farm before then. This would likely mean breaking up the group into small parts that could be integrated into separate communities.

If we continue our "worst case scenario" line of thinking, and find no communities willing to take in even individuals from our group... then the late fall would present some very unpleasant choices which I'm not quite morbid enough to consider here.
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreigners from Seoul looking to set up down here would be stabbed in the neck and reminded of Cohiba's rule as they lie spluttering in the dirt. 'No, it isn't much fun down here, is it?'

comm wrote:
"I felt a great disturbance in the force... as if millions of PC bongers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened"



I came back in here to post that but you got there first Smile
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the biggest danger would be from the caffeine withdrawal millions of Seoulites would be experiencing once the coffee shops shut down. Shocked
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
How's this? Not make the situation worse by trying to go all Grizzly Adams and rounding up people and planning ridiculous scenarios with "Day One" and all of that. No looting, no rioting, no breaking into family mart and hijacking fishing boats. Just scale and ration stuff, share together and come together as a community and cooperate with the authorities in restoring things.

It would be bad, especially in some areas, but its not like people and governments can't get that crap sorted out.

For goodness sakes, what's up with the theft? It's idiot thinking like that that makes everything worse. If you do try and steal from someone in that situation I hope in the "law of the jungle" that exists you get what's coming to you.

Lay off the paranoid sci-fi crack pipe.


I'm not saying that things won't come back together. Not at all. Also there is actually a law, at least in the states, that during emergencies you can validly take items from stores as long as you leave and pay back an I.O.U

Sorry, but in a city of 14 million people, most of whom have zero idea of how food is made, it's going to take years for things to come back together and it's going to get incredibly violent.

It's cute that you believe in basic human goodness, but I believe that an empty stomach will over ride that.


I'm pretty sure that there is a difference between taking a bottle of water from an abandoned store and looting a family mart and hiking store and then hijacking a boat.

The thing is, that the majority of people in Korea over 50 years of age (and some even 35-50, who also happen to be at the heads of families, can recall a time of growing their own food and dealing without electricity and water. They've actually already lived through an EMP-level crisis. All the families will just get together. The first few days (the time that the government will need to come together and start acting) will be spend by most Koreans trying to get in touch with their family.

Unlike those of us who probably live for these survivalist fantasies, the average Korean won't be going off the walls trying to live out some fantasy and instead just try to meet mom and dad. Many of the younger male Koreans will probably assume something is wrong and report to their local military post, at which point they'll have officers to organize them.

For goodness sakes, these kinds of fantasies and theft-based actions are exactly what not to do. It makes the situation worse for all, its probably unnecessary, and it is dangerous to the person who engages in it. What are you going to do if when stealing that boat, the guy who owns it, his two brothers, and five of their friends at the docks all see you? They'll kill you and throw you into the sea. You think people won't be watching their stuff? You think you won't stick out like a sore thumb? And who is to say that while you're off on your island that it so happens that you aren't as skilled at survivalism as you think you are and end up starving, where if you had just stayed put, government services were restored and food, water, and shelter all became organized?

You sound like some guy who claims that they'd land the plane if the pilot had a heart attack and has a scenario all drawn up, but if it ever did happen would freak out, get into a fight with the flight attendants as you insist that you be the one to land the plane and refuse to sit down, and end up getting a bunch of people agitated and causing a truly dangerous situation. Never mind the fact that an actual licensed pilot is up in business class and the flight attendants are calmly resolving the situation there- You have your survival fantasy scenario. It's everyone for themself!!!
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Many of the younger male Koreans will probably assume something is wrong and report to their local military post, at which point they'll have officers to organize them.



*beep* that shit.
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maximmm



Joined: 01 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If nothing else, you're looking at Chernobyl-like scenario at every nuclear plant site. No, there's no happy ending there - regardless of whether you are in Korea or not (though Japan will shut down its last nuclear plant this Friday - or was it last Friday?)
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Joe Boxer



Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Many of the younger male Koreans will probably assume something is wrong and report to their local military post, at which point they'll have officers to organize them.



*beep* that shit.

Hahahahaha Laughing

Alright, then as a young Korean male, what's your plan?
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flakfizer



Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yikes, you think the suicide rate is high now? One week without the ability to photograph their food, play PC games or see You Jae-suk laughing at absolutely nothing, would decimate this city.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

I have a cabin up North of Seoul, just go up there, grow food in the back yard, practice meditation, learn some Korean musical instruments, go swimming, it's like a 24/7 vacation really. Family is good in Korea, people pull thru together, that's the biggest advantage.

In the USA they would all be ripping each other's heads off or whatever.
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pegasus64128



Joined: 20 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maximmm wrote:
If nothing else, you're looking at Chernobyl-like scenario at every nuclear plant site. No, there's no happy ending there - regardless of whether you are in Korea or not (though Japan will shut down its last nuclear plant this Friday - or was it last Friday?)



Depends on the amount of diesel available for the back-up generators, and the level of metallic shielding and surge protection at each site. It would probably take at least a week for potential meltdowns to come about. It wouldn't effect your initial escape I reckon, but later on it could be detrimental to the survival of your community if you have one.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="jdog2050"]


I'm not saying that things won't come back together. Not at all. Also there is actually a law, at least in the states, that during emergencies you can validly take items from stores as long as you leave and pay back an I.O.U

*~*


You're not in Kansas anymore Toto. Making that kind of assumption in Korea could very well lead you into violent confrontations.

I suspect mobs of the anti-ES type would be out in force, hunting down
any white face they can find.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="some waygug-in"]
jdog2050 wrote:



I'm not saying that things won't come back together. Not at all. Also there is actually a law, at least in the states, that during emergencies you can validly take items from stores as long as you leave and pay back an I.O.U

*~*


You're not in Kansas anymore Toto. Making that kind of assumption in Korea could very well lead you into violent confrontations.

I suspect mobs of the anti-ES type would be out in force, hunting down
any white face they can find.


Sorry, but we aren't that important to them.

If something like this happened, everyone would be trying to reach their loved ones, not spending their time hunting down English teachers.

I know, I know, we're foreigners, we are the center of the Korean universe and are more important to them than their aunts and uncles. But really, we just aren't as big a deal to them as we wish we were. Get over ourselves.
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Boxer wrote:
fermentation wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Many of the younger male Koreans will probably assume something is wrong and report to their local military post, at which point they'll have officers to organize them.



*beep* that shit.

Hahahahaha Laughing

Alright, then as a young Korean male, what's your plan?


Probably hold out with family and friends until they fix everything. How long would it really last? But I would stock up on food, water and weapons for the time being.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Steelrails"]
some waygug-in wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:



I'm not saying that things won't come back together. Not at all. Also there is actually a law, at least in the states, that during emergencies you can validly take items from stores as long as you leave and pay back an I.O.U

*~*


You're not in Kansas anymore Toto. Making that kind of assumption in Korea could very well lead you into violent confrontations.

I suspect mobs of the anti-ES type would be out in force, hunting down
any white face they can find.


Sorry, but we aren't that important to them.

If something like this happened, everyone would be trying to reach their loved ones, not spending their time hunting down English teachers.

I know, I know, we're foreigners, we are the center of the Korean universe and are more important to them than their aunts and uncles. But really, we just aren't as big a deal to them as we wish we were. Get over ourselves.


Agreed. They are going to be very busy finding food and water and their loved ones. They are not going to worry about English teachers.

I also agree that this "I am the center of Koreans' existence" mindset has got to go. The vast majority of Koreans have not met you, do not know you and frankly they could care less.
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