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Reggie
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| She looks like either she has to pay uncles gambling debts by selling her body, or she just found hubby cheating. |
If she's not a dominatrix, she has missed her calling. Sadly, she's probably just a spoiled wife with a henpecked husband.  |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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How would we feel if there was some video where a slightly moronic foreigner gets smashed for acting stupid and a bunch of Korean people post some stuff like "foreigners are asking for it"?
Et tu brute? |
I suppose it depends what the foreigner is doing. No doubt there are lots of idiotic NETs who are asking to be put in their place. The difference is the average ajossi doesn't walk about getting stares from people, being talked about indiscreetly, patronised and sometimes directly insulted and/or ordered about by strangers. That's fairly common for a NET, and I daresay more so for a black guy with a Korean girlfriend. Everybody has a tipping point. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
How would we feel if there was some video where a slightly moronic foreigner gets smashed for acting stupid and a bunch of Korean people post some stuff like "foreigners are asking for it"?
Et tu brute? |
I suppose it depends what the foreigner is doing. No doubt there are lots of idiotic NETs who are asking to be put in their place. The difference is the average ajossi doesn't walk about getting stares from people, being talked about indiscreetly, patronised and sometimes directly insulted and/or ordered about by strangers. That's fairly common for a NET, and I daresay more so for a black guy with a Korean girlfriend. Everybody has a tipping point. |
I mean I feel bad for the guy, but what did he (or any non-Korean) expect coming to a completely homogenous country? I'm Korean and I went with a church group to do some service work in a middle of nowhere town in Mexico. From the day we got there I had a group of 20 or so kids running around following me and yelling "Chino! Chino!" I got some of the most venomous stares from some of the villagers. I could never do anything about the villagers, but after about 4 days, a buddy of mine told the kids in Spanish that I could haunt them in their dreams and steal their souls, after which they stopped bugging me.
I'm not defending the actions of Koreans. I think it's repulsive how some treat non-Koreans and half-Koreans. However - to put all the blame on the Koreans would be irresponsible. I've seen so many people on these forums state that they have no interest in learning the language, that they don't want to learn about the culture or adapt in any way. That guy in the video knew one Korean word - an expletive. How many of the issues that arise with foreigners could be prevented by those foreigners simply having a grasp of the language? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, back in my home country there would be zero sympathy for a non-citizen, having not learnt the language, flipping out and threatening to smash an older man who had happened to say something inoffensive that the non-citizen had misheard because of poor language skills. As so it should be.
But again, I'm just supposing here, and I haven't read anything official about this, so just guessing. Maybe the American guy knew Korean and the Korean guy was being offensive. Who knows. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| That English teacher should have been locked away for that, insult or not. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| How many of the issues that arise with foreigners could be prevented by those foreigners simply having a grasp of the language? |
Yes and how many issues with Koreans making comments about foreigners in front of them don't amount to anything because the foreigners don't understand what they're saying? I bet a lot more |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| The majority of Native English Teacher contract workers will be here 1 or 2 years. Study hard for those two years and what sort of level can we get to? TOPIK level 2? It's unlikely to be all that much use in situations like these. I study almost daily, but I know for a fact I'll stop when I leave and likely never again use what I've learnt. Given that, I can completely understand a person staying here only a year not learning any Korean beyond hello, goodbye and thanks. I don't think lack of Korean ability is any excuse to treat a stranger with discourtesy |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
How would we feel if there was some video where a slightly moronic foreigner gets smashed for acting stupid and a bunch of Korean people post some stuff like "foreigners are asking for it"?
Et tu brute? |
I suppose it depends what the foreigner is doing. No doubt there are lots of idiotic NETs who are asking to be put in their place. The difference is the average ajossi doesn't walk about getting stares from people, being talked about indiscreetly, patronised and sometimes directly insulted and/or ordered about by strangers. That's fairly common for a NET, and I daresay more so for a black guy with a Korean girlfriend. Everybody has a tipping point. |
So if some random ajosshi went to a foreigner event like a hiking trip or some other expat gathering there wouldn't be some people saying "What's HE doing here? Oh great...an ajosshi"
Again, Et tu Brute? |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| The majority of Native English Teacher contract workers will be here 1 or 2 years. Study hard for those two years and what sort of level can we get to? TOPIK level 2? It's unlikely to be all that much use in situations like these. I study almost daily, but I know for a fact I'll stop when I leave and likely never again use what I've learnt. Given that, I can completely understand a person staying here only a year not learning any Korean beyond hello, goodbye and thanks. I don't think lack of Korean ability is any excuse to treat a stranger with discourtesy |
I know illegal immigrants in the US who have a better grasp of the English language in a year than some of these so called college graduates have in Korean in the same time.
Spending a year completely immersed in a country should lead to about the same amount of language learning as 2 or 3 semesters in a college. Seriously.
I'm not stating that a "lack of Korean ability is any excuse to treat a stranger with discourtesy," but rather that a knowledge of the language would allow one to defuse situations without escalation. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| The majority of Native English Teacher contract workers will be here 1 or 2 years. Study hard for those two years and what sort of level can we get to? TOPIK level 2? It's unlikely to be all that much use in situations like these. I study almost daily, but I know for a fact I'll stop when I leave and likely never again use what I've learnt. Given that, I can completely understand a person staying here only a year not learning any Korean beyond hello, goodbye and thanks. I don't think lack of Korean ability is any excuse to treat a stranger with discourtesy |
I think what the poster may have been getting at but didnt actually say, was more about how there seems to be so many NET's that pretty much think they are ABOVE bothering to learn Korean, or understand the culture...etc..as if Korea is just some skidmark in the undies of their life, so they need not make any effort to learn about, or otherwise minimally conform to the social norms of the country.
And if a NET or some other foreigner feels that way, they are completely entitled to do so. However people can sense this air of what might be described as elitism from people..the same way most of us can discern from body language, facial expressions, and tone of voice from some random Korean guy on the street that they may not be all too happy with a foreigner in their presence |
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Zulethe
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| modu video nun chaimi opta!!! |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Spending a year completely immersed in a country should lead to about the same amount of language learning as 2 or 3 semesters in a college. Seriously. |
It depends what you mean by 'completely immersed.' If you mean just living in a country, hearing a foreign language spoken everyday but not actively studying it, you can still pick it up, I'd disagree. Not if there are so few similarities as there are between Korean and English. Spanish to English maybe |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| How does foreigners learning Korean prevent rudeness by Koreans in public? Apples and oranges. |
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