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Buliarios
Joined: 02 Nov 2010
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yikes! Thanks for all the replies. Some really useful information on here, with the exception of Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida Sometimes forget plebs like that exist.
Steelrails, thanks a lot. That's exactly the kind of post I was hoping for. Indeed I shall not give up. Thankfully, I do have all the correspondence between us. I've actually done a googlesearch on her already and got some interesting results, including this one which appears to have been written this year:
http://engworld.pofler.com/home/bbs/board.php?bo_table=menu4&wr_id=100041
The email and phone number match, plus there is an address (though she may not still live there, but it's progress). I've compiled all the information I've found so far, so I'll give it to the police as you suggested and get ready for a trip up to Seoul.
I sincerely hope that the last scenario you stated (where she turns out to be a ditz) is the truth, but at this point I'm doubting it. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Thanks.
One more bit- Don't just fill in the cops, fill in your co-teacher and any Korean people who can vouch for you on the situation and show them the evidence. When you go up to Seoul, if you deal with the cops/the person's boss, you are probably going to need to ring up a Korean speaking person with some weight behind them to vouch for you and explain the situation. Get all your ducks in line. The good thing is, the person probably won't have their's in order and will be scrambling and waffling. Also neither them, nor their boss is likely to want to get the cops involved. Have everything printed out and organized. Don't be overly aggressive though. Again, there is the chance this might be an innocent mixup and you're going to end up going down to the post office and finding out the package was mailed to the wrong address and everything is just fine. At the same time, you know what cards you have up your sleeve and be ready to play any or all of them.
And remember you can tell if they're lying by how they smell. If you smell that stink, don't let up. That being said, don't be afraid to offer an out to the person to let them save face- "Well if you haven't shipped it yet, can you just refund me the money?" But don't let them leave their place of work so they can run. Only get back the money, or only agree to take the PS3 ("I understand it can be hard to get to the post office, I'll pick it up from your house") if the cops are already there and are going to follow you all. Good news is that theft seems to be taken fairly seriously here relative to some other crimes. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: |
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I may be wrong, but the seller doesn't seem to be ill-intentioned. After all, what scammer would use their real name, phone number, bank account and email address linked to their resume.
All bets are off if her account was hijacked though. |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Location: Not Korea
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Buliarios wrote: |
Yikes! Thanks for all the replies. Some really useful information on here, with the exception of Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida Sometimes forget plebs like that exist.
Steelrails, thanks a lot. That's exactly the kind of post I was hoping for. Indeed I shall not give up. Thankfully, I do have all the correspondence between us. I've actually done a googlesearch on her already and got some interesting results, including this one which appears to have been written this year:
http://engworld.pofler.com/home/bbs/board.php?bo_table=menu4&wr_id=100041
The email and phone number match, plus there is an address (though she may not still live there, but it's progress). I've compiled all the information I've found so far, so I'll give it to the police as you suggested and get ready for a trip up to Seoul.
I sincerely hope that the last scenario you stated (where she turns out to be a ditz) is the truth, but at this point I'm doubting it. |
Here's a new word you can try out on your students. Fleeceable. Look it up and learn it  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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And remember you can tell if they're lying by how they smell. If you smell that stink, don't let up. That being said, don't be afraid to offer an out to the person to let them save face- "Well if you haven't shipped it yet, can you just refund me the money?" But don't let them leave their place of work so they can run. Only get back the money, or only agree to take the PS3 ("I understand it can be hard to get to the post office, I'll pick it up from your house") if the cops are already there and are going to follow you all. Good news is that theft seems to be taken fairly seriously here relative to some other crimes. |
This is a bad idea.
Report it to the police, if you want. Or initiate a collections lawsuit. But don't show up at her work. As Madoka said, you don't know if its theft (she may lack requisite intent). Moreover, you don't have any power to make her cough up the money, not remotely, not while in her face. Pretending you have that power could only get you into trouble. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
And remember you can tell if they're lying by how they smell. If you smell that stink, don't let up. That being said, don't be afraid to offer an out to the person to let them save face- "Well if you haven't shipped it yet, can you just refund me the money?" But don't let them leave their place of work so they can run. Only get back the money, or only agree to take the PS3 ("I understand it can be hard to get to the post office, I'll pick it up from your house") if the cops are already there and are going to follow you all. Good news is that theft seems to be taken fairly seriously here relative to some other crimes. |
This is a bad idea.
Report it to the police, if you want. Or initiate a collections lawsuit. But don't show up at her work. As Madoka said, you don't know if its theft (she may lack requisite intent). Moreover, you don't have any power to make her cough up the money, not remotely, not while in her face. Pretending you have that power could only get you into trouble. |
You're assuming she knows that. And when you first get there, as I said, you aren't there to collect, you're there to inquire. If they have the stink on them, then they may rather pay you back than be embarrassed and even if nothing can actually be solved by the cops, it sure would be a shame if the police showed up when all the parents were there. Now you do raise a key point, never directly accuse in public. Just say you're trying to sort out the problem and need the police's assistance in clarifying. "Why did you call us?" "I need your help". NOT "She stole from me"
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| After all, what scammer would use their real name, phone number, bank account and email address linked to their resume. |
Crime makes you stupid. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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DeLaRed
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| copy and paste her e-mail into facebook....you'll find her there too |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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All right, I guess someone has to save the day. To the TS, I have two playstations 3 (brand new) with five factory sealed games. I'm selling both consoles for 250K Won. If you send me the money today (I'll PM account#), I'll send 2 consoles and five games to you the next day with a tracking number.
Let me know if you're interested!@@ |
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Buliarios
Joined: 02 Nov 2010
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! What a deal! Quick, give me your account details! Can't control how 'fleeceable' I am
As for everyone else, thanks for your comments. I'm currently making inquiries, got some Korean friends in Seoul as well. Not gonna get them to turn up in my place, just talk to the police for me etc. |
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Enrico Palazzo Mod Team


Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote: |
| Buliarios wrote: |
Yikes! Thanks for all the replies. Some really useful information on here, with the exception of Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida Sometimes forget plebs like that exist.
Steelrails, thanks a lot. That's exactly the kind of post I was hoping for. Indeed I shall not give up. Thankfully, I do have all the correspondence between us. I've actually done a googlesearch on her already and got some interesting results, including this one which appears to have been written this year:
http://engworld.pofler.com/home/bbs/board.php?bo_table=menu4&wr_id=100041
The email and phone number match, plus there is an address (though she may not still live there, but it's progress). I've compiled all the information I've found so far, so I'll give it to the police as you suggested and get ready for a trip up to Seoul.
I sincerely hope that the last scenario you stated (where she turns out to be a ditz) is the truth, but at this point I'm doubting it. |
Here's a new word you can try out on your students. Fleeceable. Look it up and learn it  |
Making fun of someone who has been cheated entails personally attacking a poster. How is that permissible under the TOS? It is not.
Please be civil to other posters. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Didn't someone sell the same Xbox to a bunch of different people here last year? Buyer beware. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I bought an xbox off of a Korean forum last year (I don't remember which) but I just set it up so that my husband would go meet him halfway between where we lived and pick it up and pay in person. Of course, there was always the risk that it didn't work, but it was less risky than wiring money.
I hope it turns out that it was lost in the post, and you get it soon. I've ordered a few things via Dave's and other forums using the bank-transfer payment method, but only for cheaper things like Marmite and similar things. Best of luck! |
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Buliarios
Joined: 02 Nov 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to the mod team for putting certain people in their place.
Thanks NYC Gal and others. Pretty silly mistake but I was trying to get the ps3 quickly for my girlfriend's bday and so was hasty, leading to me not getting it at all! Checked with the national postal service's head office and they confirmed that nothing has been sent to my address from a day before the supposed time she sent it until now. Barring the slight possibility that they made a mistake, it looks like the ps3 was never sent and I have indeed been scammed.
Time to let the authorities take care of it. |
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hongdae2
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| she/he probably made at least a cool million off her ps3 adds. a quick google search of her email addy shows that she posted the ps3 on several other sites. let the bwitch hunt begin. |
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