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luckylady
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You ever hear of a thing called a salary? It's what big boys get. Maybe you'll get one when you grow up some day! |
the laugh is on you buddy ... a salary is what employees receive who never get paid for overtime ... but may work a lot of it regardless
so if you aren't getting paid overtime might want to check in the mirror for those brown spots chances are you're owed some cash  |
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motiontodismiss
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I don't think that solves the biggest fundamental problem. The only way Korea can end the low pay-miserable people-high suicide rate-low birth rate-aging population death spiral is for the population of this country to go down to a sustainable level, which is about 10 million.
If there's no drastic decrease in the population of Korea, or people start making more money (at least enough to keep up with skyrocketing CoL), Korea's going under in a generation or two. I bet a thousand dollars on it. |
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luckylady
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I'll meet your thousand and raise you another thousand that China gets in first.  |
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motiontodismiss
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:12 am Post subject: |
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China collapsing would be economic armageddon  At that point $2,000 will be worth about 2 cents so sure why not. |
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hellofaniceguy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:39 am Post subject: |
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How the hell do workers put up with it?![/quote]
The same way all other workers put up with it.....suck it up and get screwed.....
but to be fair....no one can use you unless you let them.... |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Koreans need to work less hours and get more vacation time. The long hours they work mean they have little time for a life and the lack of vacation time prevents them letting off steam by getting out of the pressure cooker that this country is. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
I don't think that solves the biggest fundamental problem. The only way Korea can end the low pay-miserable people-high suicide rate-low birth rate-aging population death spiral is for the population of this country to go down to a sustainable level, which is about 10 million.
If there's no drastic decrease in the population of Korea, or people start making more money (at least enough to keep up with skyrocketing CoL), Korea's going under in a generation or two. I bet a thousand dollars on it. |
If suicide rates were related to population densities and income levels then you would see other countries such as Singapore and Hong Kong (high population Density) and then and bunch of lower income countries having higher rates than Korea. But this is not the case.
The cause is cultural. So too the solution must be. |
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luckylady
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| China collapsing would be economic armageddon At that point $2,000 will be worth about 2 cents so sure why not. |
who said anything about China collapsing? word is China will eventually reclaim Korea as part of the motherland... why else would it have any kind of bonds with NK?
the entire Korean peninsula is part of the same continent/land mass and look at the fuss China makes over Taiwan which isn't even physically attached. thousands of Chinese already immigrate to SK every year. it's only a matter of time; China will want to make good use of the infrastructure in Korea and the Koreans who know how to build it. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| the laugh is on you buddy ... a salary is what employees receive who never get paid for overtime ... but may work a lot of it regardless |
No, its not. You get overtime on salary as well. Now, whether your company is precise about that or sticks junior employees with 60 hour work weeks and doesn't pay is another matter. Also, at a lot of these jobs there is a set objective. Now you can choose to only work 40 hours at that objective, but if your work quality is low or the task is not completed on time, then you'll be axed. In order to get the job done, many people work longer than 40 hours. You know, people like doctors, cops, lawyers, consultants, analysts, project designers, etc. People who have to accomplish specific goals in a limited time frame. Not just go in and give the same schpiel over and over, or sit around waiting for customers to enter.
I can't help but question the work ethic of those who view things in terms of "number of hours worked" vs. Getting something done and finished. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| motiontodismiss wrote: |
I don't think that solves the biggest fundamental problem. The only way Korea can end the low pay-miserable people-high suicide rate-low birth rate-aging population death spiral is for the population of this country to go down to a sustainable level, which is about 10 million.
If there's no drastic decrease in the population of Korea, or people start making more money (at least enough to keep up with skyrocketing CoL), Korea's going under in a generation or two. I bet a thousand dollars on it. |
If suicide rates were related to population densities and income levels then you would see other countries such as Singapore and Hong Kong (high population Density) and then and bunch of lower income countries having higher rates than Korea. But this is not the case.
The cause is cultural. So too the solution must be. |
There's absolutely a cultural element too. Korean society's too rigid and inflexible. I would argue, however, that the culture evolved from too many people living in too small a space, at least partially. |
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motiontodismiss
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| In order to get the job done, many people work longer than 40 hours. You know, people like doctors, cops, lawyers, consultants, analysts, project designers, etc. |
Many of those people get paid high salaries and bonuses to compensate for the lack of overtime. |
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fosterman
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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the world needs 3 billion less people!
we need to change the way we live.
this greedy corporate winner takes all structure is the problem with the world today.
when I hear about Korea having the lowest birth rate in the world
I think GREAT. Korea doesn't need 50 million people to run it.
it's the greedy building owners, and politicians with their hands in construction, building, and big business who want more people.
actually less people in this nation would calm everyone down.
a nation like Korea should be able to sustain itself with 10 million people easily! even 5 would be ok |
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slothrop
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atwood
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| more vacation time for koreans won't work. many koreans opt to not take the vacation days they get now and take the money instead. whenever a company tries to make a policy that employees must take their vacation days( in order to save the company money) employees complain and do everything in their power to reverse the policy. |
Maybe, but a lot of managers recommend, in other words won't allow, their employees not take their vacations, or at least all of their allotted time. And some are afraid of losing their jobs--"my desk" if they stay out of the office for an extended length of time. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| In order to get the job done, many people work longer than 40 hours. You know, people like doctors, cops, lawyers, consultants, analysts, project designers, etc. |
Many of those people get paid high salaries and bonuses to compensate for the lack of overtime. |
Not at the junior level where you have to "prove out" or be fired or relegated to the backwaters. |
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