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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| radcon wrote: |
| To those of you who said this is a good song: What kind of mucic did you grow up with, listen to in college? What music do you like now? |
My Top 20 Artists according to LastFM (ranked by play count):
1. Sonic Youth
2. PJ Harvey
3. The Fiery Furnaces
4. Radiohead
5. Sleater-Kinney
6. Deerhoof
7. REM
8. LCD Soundsystem
9. The Delgados
10. Electrelane
11. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
12. Tall Dwarfs
13. Blur
14. Mclusky
15. Nirvana
16. The Clash
17. Talking Heads
18. The Chemical Brothers
19. Tool
20. Crowded House
I know your hypothesis is that people who like the song must have shitty taste in music, but its a silly tack to take when discussing the catchiness and appeal of a single song. Hell, I despise the band Of Montreal, but they have one song (The Past is a Grotesque Animal) that I think is brilliant.
Gangnam Style simply has an appealing beat and the distinct sections work well together. But if this is the song you want to be your non-negotiable measure of taste, well so be it. |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, its all part of the art. By cashing in on a song that criticizes materialism,
Psy is commenting on the duality of man or some such.
As an aside, is there any concept of "selling out" among artists in Korea? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| As an aside, is there any concept of "selling out" among artists in Korea? |
I doubt it, seeing as they have to sell out completely to get anywhere in the first place. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| As an aside, is there any concept of "selling out" among artists in Korea? |
Don't know why people are so critical of "sell outs"? I for one will be first in line, even if it required "selling out", for a few extra zeros in my bank account. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Sell outs are fine if you don't have any artistic integrity to start with. It's when 'serious' musicians and actors who maybe have criticised or mocked the commercial aspects of their art make money from these same aspects that people get annoyed. E.g. The Smiths allowing 'Please Please let me get what I want' to be used for a John Lewis Christmas ad or Scottish nationalist Sean Connery doing an advert for Japanese whisky. There has to be that culture of bohemian artists not conforming to society in the first place, which there doesn't seem to be in Korea |
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transmogrifier
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| . There has to be that culture of bohemian artists not conforming to society in the first place, which there doesn't seem to be in Korea |
I think there are (look at the director Kim Ki-Duk for example), just not so much in music. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Sell outs are fine if you don't have any artistic integrity to start with. It's when 'serious' musicians and actors who maybe have criticised or mocked the commercial aspects of their art make money from these same aspects that people get annoyed. E.g. The Smiths allowing 'Please Please let me get what I want' to be used for a John Lewis Christmas ad or Scottish nationalist Sean Connery doing an advert for Japanese whisky. There has to be that culture of bohemian artists not conforming to society in the first place, which there doesn't seem to be in Korea |
That culture does exists, musically as well as with other art forms. Just have to look for it! It may not be as evident as back home but its there.
I saw a few off the beaten path bands when I was in Korea. They play the bar circuit or have a limited audience. their lyrics sure were not conformist for example, nor were they or the mainstream pop variety. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Just love how some people assume things just because it doesn't appear in any English language medium. You really have to know the local culture/language, in this case being Korean, to realize there are tons of Koreans that are critical of Korea. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:45 am Post subject: |
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That culture does exists, musically as well as with other art forms. Just have to look for it! It may not be as evident as back home but its there.
I saw a few off the beaten path bands when I was in Korea. They play the bar circuit or have a limited audience. their lyrics sure were not conformist for example, nor were they or the mainstream pop variety. |
What I meant was there don't seem to be many artists with attitude becoming famous. Obviously they have to become famous with their anti-establishment attitudes first before they can then be seen to be selling out. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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That culture does exists, musically as well as with other art forms. Just have to look for it! It may not be as evident as back home but its there.
I saw a few off the beaten path bands when I was in Korea. They play the bar circuit or have a limited audience. their lyrics sure were not conformist for example, nor were they or the mainstream pop variety. |
What I meant was there don't seem to be many artists with attitude becoming famous. Obviously they have to become famous with their anti-establishment attitudes first before they can then be seen to be selling out. |
Quite possibly true Ed. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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nero
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| To those of you who said this is a good song: What kind of mucic did you grow up with, listen to in college? What music do you like now? |
My Top 20 Artists according to LastFM (ranked by play count):
1. Sonic Youth
2. PJ Harvey
3. The Fiery Furnaces
4. Radiohead
5. Sleater-Kinney
6. Deerhoof
7. REM
8. LCD Soundsystem
9. The Delgados
10. Electrelane
11. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
12. Tall Dwarfs
13. Blur
14. Mclusky
15. Nirvana
16. The Clash
17. Talking Heads
18. The Chemical Brothers
19. Tool
20. Crowded House
I know your hypothesis is that people who like the song must have shitty taste in music, but its a silly tack to take when discussing the catchiness and appeal of a single song. Hell, I despise the band Of Montreal, but they have one song (The Past is a Grotesque Animal) that I think is brilliant.
Gangnam Style simply has an appealing beat and the distinct sections work well together. But if this is the song you want to be your non-negotiable measure of taste, well so be it. |
You're are kiwi, aren't you? Great list. I saw the Tall Dwarves open for Wire in Auckland a few moons ago. This is totally off topic, but there you go...
Korea is an appearance orientated money obsessed society. I doubt many people even give a toss about the notion of 'selling out.' Selling out equals success = money. Koreans haven't had that sixties counter revolution where popular culture was critical of societies excesses. I'm not saying a few people don't 'get it', but this society exists very much in a vacuum. Take it for what it is. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:16 am Post subject: |
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You're are kiwi, aren't you? Great list. I saw the Tall Dwarves open for Wire in Auckland a few moons ago. |
Sure am. Love Wire as well - that would have been a great concert. |
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