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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Europe has one, and only one, chance for relevance in the modern world. The various ethnic groups, whether they be Scots or Basques or Walloons or whatever... It makes no difference.
Europe needs to accept that, separately, it is no longer a player. Together it can be.
Choose one.
Meanwhile, sit down and shut up until you figure out what role you want to play. You are endangering the world economy. |
Yeah because the EU collectively has been such a raging success 
Leave it to Ya-ta to trip on logic and fall flat on his face. |
For once you two are actually in (partial) agreement: the EU isn't doing so well. Of course your "solution" to turning things around for EU members is probably completely different from one another...
I have to say the idea of Greece and Germany (or the Netherlands for that matter) being in the same monetary union yet having independent governments (compared to US states at least) is quite amusing in hindsight. Seems to me that they either have to follow the US in terms of federalism or go the opposite route. This hybrid middle ground certainly isn't doing it. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Europe has one, and only one, chance for relevance in the modern world. The various ethnic groups, whether they be Scots or Basques or Walloons or whatever... It makes no difference.
Europe needs to accept that, separately, it is no longer a player. Together it can be.
Choose one.
Meanwhile, sit down and shut up until you figure out what role you want to play. You are endangering the world economy. |
By this same logic, every independent nation in the world must subsume itself into a large regional block or risk 'irrelevance.' |
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Titus
Joined: 19 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Europe has one, and only one, chance for relevance in the modern world. |
What? That sentence is literally without any meaning or substance.
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| Europe needs to accept that, separately, it is no longer a player. Together it can be. |
A player in what? Death to sports metaphors. I'm declaring a jihad.
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| By this same logic, every independent nation in the world must subsume itself into a large regional block or risk 'irrelevance.' |
Relevance to whom? To what? For what reason? To what benefit?
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| This is always the false choice given to the people of the UK, that we either unite with the Europeans or face oblivion. |
Yeah, same in every nation. We have to accept a massive, dramatic departure from traditional forms of social and political organization or the world will end. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Relevance to whom? To what? For what reason? To what benefit? |
That was precisely my point. Ya-ta is a big fan of empty, meaningless platitudes. |
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