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Are Koreans the Irish of Asia? Here�s a Case
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GJoeM wrote:
Koreans...are a highly successful, efficient, dynamic nation with everyone amazed at, respectful of, indeed, in awe of...


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fosterman



Joined: 16 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

never heard that one.

have heard korea is the italy of asia though.

lol

what ever
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having lived in Italy for a long time I can safely say that the two countries and people are different in almost every single aspect. With the possible exception that both sets of guys are into self grooming to an exaggerated degree. Let's face it, and not surprisingly, the Koreans most resemble the Japanese. Just as Eamon McKee would concede, if he wasn't talking to a bunch of Koreans at the time, the Irish most resemble the English.
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saram_



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Tom Coyner, and his work/research in his book.
�Doing Business in Korea: An Expanded Guide.�

He had this list reviewed by both Irish and Korean business professionals before publishing apparently.

1. Among the most religious populations in their respective parts of the world, with a comparatively high rate of regular churchgoers.

2. Very family-oriented and take sides along clans quite readily.

3. Extended families gather frequently, regardless of members� ages, to share being together, often taking turns entertaining each other by singing songs.

4. Compared to their neighbors, they wear their hearts on their sleeves.

5. Quick to fight and quick to forgive.

6. Famous (or infamous) for their drinking habits.

7. Less regarded for planning and better known for forming successful if chaotic teams at the last minute.
8. Have a healthy disregard for authority, but will at least superficially show and demand honor and respect as tradition dictates.

9. Often ask strangers about their hometowns due to regional stereotyping.

10. Quick to laugh and quick to cry�as well as to break out into song and verse.

11. Known and respected beyond their borders for their music and ability to entertain beyond language barriers.

12. The nation is divided as a result of foreign power intervention.

13. Well-regarded for their sense of humor and playing of pranks, while have little use for the person who cannot laugh at him or herself.

14. Nations were colonized by island neighbors, and were forced to speak the language of their oppressors.

15. Traumatized by the colonial experience, with additional decades required to psychologically recover�as a result, a collective behavior of being a bit edgy, nervous and inhibited at times compared to that of their neighbors.

16. In recent times, their respective Diasporas have somewhat reversed for the first time due to the nation�s rapidly developing economy.


Agree with most of these points. There are a good few similarities that can't be argued with.
I think though 16 is a little inaccurate regarding Ireland given the current state of the Irish economy. This list is probably a few years old at least!
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From Tom Coyner, and his work/research in his book.
�Doing Business in Korea: An Expanded Guide.�

He had this list reviewed by both Irish and Korean business professionals before publishing apparently.

1. Among the most religious populations in their respective parts of the world, with a comparatively high rate of regular churchgoers.

2. Very family-oriented and take sides along clans quite readily.

3. Extended families gather frequently, regardless of members� ages, to share being together, often taking turns entertaining each other by singing songs.

4. Compared to their neighbors, they wear their hearts on their sleeves.

5. Quick to fight and quick to forgive.

6. Famous (or infamous) for their drinking habits.

7. Less regarded for planning and better known for forming successful if chaotic teams at the last minute.
8. Have a healthy disregard for authority, but will at least superficially show and demand honor and respect as tradition dictates.

9. Often ask strangers about their hometowns due to regional stereotyping.

10. Quick to laugh and quick to cry�as well as to break out into song and verse.

11. Known and respected beyond their borders for their music and ability to entertain beyond language barriers.

12. The nation is divided as a result of foreign power intervention.

13. Well-regarded for their sense of humor and playing of pranks, while have little use for the person who cannot laugh at him or herself.

14. Nations were colonized by island neighbors, and were forced to speak the language of their oppressors.

15. Traumatized by the colonial experience, with additional decades required to psychologically recover�as a result, a collective behavior of being a bit edgy, nervous and inhibited at times compared to that of their neighbors.

16. In recent times, their respective Diasporas have somewhat reversed for the first time due to the nation�s rapidly developing economy.


Agree with most of these points. There are a good few similarities that can't be argued with.
I think though 16 is a little inaccurate regarding Ireland given the current state of the Irish economy. This list is probably a few years old at least!


Yes, yes, yes, but which city do you think the average Korean would feel more at home in? Tokyo or Dublin?
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both countries have a huge chip on their shoulder (which they seriously need to let go because it is just tedious to hear it for the millionth time), regarding their former colonialist neighbours.
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T-J



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Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:

Yes, yes, yes, but which city do you think the average Korean would feel more at home in? Tokyo or Dublin?



When people say "Camels are ships of the desert.", do you really think that they are talking about their ability to feel at home on the seas?

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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When people say "Camels are ships of the desert.", do you really think that they are talking about their ability to feel at home on the seas?



When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea Laughing
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T-J



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Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


By the way, I've held this opinion since the early nineties. Posted it here recently:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=216466&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=ireland&start=15
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Small country.
Hard working scrappy people that like to drink, a lot.
Has come up on the short end of the stick throughout history thanks in part to its more powerful neighbor.
Lots of people around the world have heard of it, but don't really know much about it.


To be fair there aren't many small countries in Europe that haven't been shat on by their more powerful neighbours at one point or another, or that don't like a drink. As for the last one that goes for pretty much any country in the world for your average US citizen
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aq8knyus



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The historical comaprisons could be seen from the opposite direction. Ireland is strongly influenced legally, culturally, politically and linguistically by its powerful neighbour in the same way that China and particularly Ming China influenced Korea.

In any case Ireland's relationship with the other Island was complicated mainly by the sectarian divide. Religion wasn't quite as central in the Korean context.

That and Ireland was not some passive victim for the better part of a millenium, for centuries Ireland like Scotland was a powerhouse of the UK&I imperial expansion. Not unwilling victims but colonisers and imperialists in their own right.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That and Ireland was not some passive victim for the better part of a millenium, for centuries Ireland like Scotland was a powerhouse of the UK&I imperial expansion. Not unwilling victims but colonisers and imperialists in their own right.


True, the Duke of Wellington for example
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happiness



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i worked with an irish girl and man, was she a nationalist. she sounded just like the old korean ajushhis but she was really young. only 5 million pop. in Ireland, guess you got to fight...
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:37 am    Post subject: Re: Are Koreans the Irish of Asia? Here�s a Case Reply with quote

ajosshi wrote:
Are Koreans the Irish of Asia? Here�s a Case[/size]

a love for beer in both countries and the ease that both Koreans and Irish have finding a reason to drink it[/size].

...If they truly have a love for beer, they should stop making C-ass and s-Hite.
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Died By Bear



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Ireland was never this filthy.



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