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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| I also grew up in a culture where 'shut up' was not rude anymore, but Korean students translate that as '입닦쳐', which is used only towards the lowest class of people and is very insulting. So, it's a culture clash, but you're inviting trouble for yourself by using it. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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There are times that it's appropriate. And there are times that it's not appropriate.
Korean teachers use it (입닦쳐) when it's appropriate. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| What I don't get is why it's perfectly acceptable (as in nothing ever happens to the Korean teacher) for the Korean teachers to tell the students in Korean "shut up" but it's practically the End of the World if a foreign teacher says that in English. |
Do the k-teachers say it much around you/within ear shot? |
Constantly. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, would not a "QUIET!" - (with a booming voice) carry the same power? |
It has an immediate effect. The problem is that the k-teacher and/or the department head will be by later in the day to "discuss your teaching" with you afterwards. |
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randall020105
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: this is my take. |
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i think some things inevitably comes with your presence when you step foot in class...
you either carry self respect or you don't... what you teach at times in your approach to life speaks greater volumes than what you say to anyone...
when you walk into an area the people inside there should automatically know where they stand with you, whether they hate you or love you... allot can be said of a lady or a gentleman when you enter a place.
people you teach/lecture should be able to read you when you need silence and when you require a response. having to verbally assert your position should never enter the realm of having to say "shut up", but rather a well practiced raise of the eyebrow or a quick rattle of my ruler on the table... set rules, drill them into your class and make them understand what they mean. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I usually just say "Um, please guys, you need to think about your education, m'kay, your voices are distracting other more willing students from absorbing this fascinating piece of language. You might urgently need 'It is a space station' in the future and will be delighted that I helped you learn it."
Often they pretend to not listen or care about my lessons but I know, eventually, my message will be understood by one and all. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Why can't you just say "Be quiet!"? |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Yeah, would not a "QUIET!" - (with a booming voice) carry the same power? |
Isn't it splitting hairs to say "Shut up!" is ruder or more unprofessional than yelling "QUIET!" at the kids? As a foreigner, I'm personally not going to say "Shut up!" since I know many of the Korean parents feel comfortable with only the Korean teachers admonishing Korean children in that manner. But I wouldn't scream at the kids even in my own country where I'm seen as equal. In Korea, I just usually keep the kids a few minutes late when they're loud and disruptive, because that's the only thing that works for me in the long run. Yelling at the kids or saying "Shut up!" is going to be viewed by many parents as the foreign adult being blatantly insubordinate to the Korean children. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
| Yelling at the kids or saying "Shut up!" is going to be viewed by many parents as the foreign adult being blatantly insubordinate to the Korean children. |
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| I usually just say "Um, please guys, you need to think about your education, m'kay, your voices are distracting other more willing students from absorbing this fascinating piece of language. You might urgently need 'It is a space station' in the future and will be delighted that I helped you learn it." |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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If you are having trouble with the students speaking when they shouldn't be, you might want to reflect upon what is happening int he class at that moment (the same goes with students playing with cellphones).
Try keeping a diary, and every time you "lose" the students, write down what is happening at that moment in the class.
Who was speaking?
What was the teacher doing?
If the teacher was speaking, how long had the teacher been speaking?
What were the students doing?
What were the students supposed to be doing?
Etc.
You may find a pattern. If so, you might be able to change your teaching behavior in such a way as to keep the students quiet when you want them to be. |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| I use it on rare occasions. I never have a problem with classroom management but if there is one student who is continually disruptive to the other students and who has been warned 4-5 times to be quiet, then I'll say it. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
| I also grew up in a culture where 'shut up' was not rude anymore, but Korean students translate that as '입닦쳐', which is used only towards the lowest class of people and is very insulting. So, it's a culture clash, but you're inviting trouble for yourself by using it. |
I'm curious. I'm creeping up on 40 and grew up in Western Canada. Can't say I ever heard a teacher say that to the class. And like I said, I've never used it in that type of setting.
Is it perhaps a regional/generational thing? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| diver wrote: |
If you are having trouble with the students speaking when they shouldn't be, you might want to reflect upon what is happening int he class at that moment (the same goes with students playing with cellphones).
Try keeping a diary, and every time you "lose" the students, write down what is happening at that moment in the class.
Who was speaking?
What was the teacher doing?
If the teacher was speaking, how long had the teacher been speaking?
What were the students doing?
What were the students supposed to be doing?
Etc.
You may find a pattern. If so, you might be able to change your teaching behavior in such a way as to keep the students quiet when you want them to be. |
The issue for me mostly is the beginning of the class. I usually am one of the first teachers in a classroom after the bell rings. But, it takes a good few minutes to get them to settle down and to their seats. If only they have everything ready when the bell actually rings and all seated when I walk-in. However, I'm thinking next semester I'll head to my class when the others start heading out, which at times is a good couple of minutes after the bell. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| andrewchon wrote: |
| I also grew up in a culture where 'shut up' was not rude anymore, but Korean students translate that as '입닦쳐', which is used only towards the lowest class of people and is very insulting. So, it's a culture clash, but you're inviting trouble for yourself by using it. |
I'm curious. I'm creeping up on 40 and grew up in Western Canada. Can't say I ever heard a teacher say that to the class. And like I said, I've never used it in that type of setting.
Is it perhaps a regional/generational thing? |
You can say that. I am from lower/middle class background of Sydney's western suburbs (but I'm not a westie). The phrase got accepted into gentler surroundings after this song hit No.1 in the charts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sFacWGBJ_cs |
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thebektionary
Joined: 11 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes I'll say it in a high pitched voice to kind of be playful like "SHADDAP!" which makes them laugh but I never say it seriously or in a mean tone. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| andrewchon wrote: |
| I also grew up in a culture where 'shut up' was not rude anymore, but Korean students translate that as '입닦쳐', which is used only towards the lowest class of people and is very insulting. So, it's a culture clash, but you're inviting trouble for yourself by using it. |
I'm curious. I'm creeping up on 40 and grew up in Western Canada. Can't say I ever heard a teacher say that to the class. And like I said, I've never used it in that type of setting.
Is it perhaps a regional/generational thing? |
I grew up hearing it and the same debate was alive. I am from the Detroit area.
I heard it and the following years (perhaps middle school) teachers were telling us we shouldn't say it. I didn't understand it then, and I don't understand it now 25 years later.
It's not the first thing I would say to a student, but I wouldn't take it off the list if that student refused to behave. Perhaps it was part of the ADHD movement. Students can't sit still in their seats, therefore they are going to be ritalin deprived gremlins and we must just let them do their thing.
What if you go into a library? Does that also mean we can't expect it to be quiet? How come the standards automatically shift to the other end of the spectrum? |
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